Generalized eigenvectors

  • Thread starter Geofleur
  • Start date
  • #1
Geofleur
Science Advisor
Gold Member
423
176
Please note: Below, I keep trying to put [ capital B ] but it gets turned into !!

In Dennery and Krzywicki, they give an example of how to put a matrix in Jordan canonical form (pp. 167-170). They start with a 4x4 matrix [A] that looks kind of messy and transform it to a quasi-diagonal form [A]' = [B^(-1)] [A] that is less full (I'm distinguishing between operators A and their matrix representations [A]). So far so good.

They go on to say that vectors in the null space of (A-2E)^3 are also in the null space of ([A]' - 2[E])^2. This, they say, shows that A has no generalized eigenvectors of rank 3. They seem to be assuming that if ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 then (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0 (|v> is a vector without reference to a particular basis, and [v]' = [B^(-1)] [v]). Then they would have

(A-2E)^3 |v> = 0 implies that (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0

and this statement does indeed seem incompatible with the existence of a generalized eigenvector of rank 3 for A.

Now for my big confusion:

If ([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = 0 is just a particular representation of (A-2E)^2 |v> = 0, then it would seem that so is ([A]-2[E])^2 [v] = 0. But

([A]'-2[E])^2 [v]' = ([B^(-1)] [A] - 2[E])^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 ^2 [B^(-1)] [v] =

[B^(-1)]^2 ([A] - 2[E])^2 [v] = 0.

The operators ([A]'-2[E])^2 and ([A] - 2[E])^2 do not seem to have to same vectors in their nullspaces. There is a factor of that would have to be the identity matrix there in the last equation. So what, then, does it mean to talk about *the* nullspace of (A-2E)^2? What would particular representations of the operator look like?
 

Answers and Replies

  • #2
lurflurf
Homework Helper
2,440
138
That should be
[ A ]' = [ B-1 ] [ A ] [ B ]

[B] comes out looking like due to forum tags

it is obvious that ([ A ]'-2[ E ])2 and ([ A ] - 2[ E ])2 do have to same vectors in their nullspaces as

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 
Last edited:
  • #3
Geofleur
Science Advisor
Gold Member
423
176
I don't see how that last statement is true. If I replace [A]' with the similarity transformation and plug it into the equation on the left hand side, I don't see how the right hand side results. There would be a factor of the inverse of B squared, for instance, no?

Also, I don't see how equality on multiplying by the inverse of B implies equality of the nullspace vectors.
 
  • #4
Geofleur
Science Advisor
Gold Member
423
176
Wait. Actually I do see it now. If you write the squared factors out explicitly and replace [A]' with the similarity transformation in each factor, the two operators I mentioned can be seen to have the same nullspace vectors. Thanks!

I should mention that before, I was pushing operators through several terms without realizing it. Writing out the factors explicitly kept me from doing that.
 
  • #5
lurflurf
Homework Helper
2,440
138
Oops your right that should have been

[ B ]([ A ]'-2[ E ])2=([ A ] - 2[ E ])2[ B ]
 

Related Threads on Generalized eigenvectors

  • Last Post
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • Last Post
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • Last Post
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • Last Post
Replies
3
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • Last Post
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Last Post
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • Last Post
Replies
10
Views
13K
  • Last Post
Replies
6
Views
2K
Top