# Homework Help: Geometric deduction problem ?

1. Apr 27, 2006

### ngkamsengpeter

ABCD is a parallelogram .BA is procude to X and BA=AX . Prove that angle of XCB is 90 degree.

2. Apr 27, 2006

### Curious3141

In general, no help is given unless you show some work first. But in this case, the problem looks wrong - the proposition you're required to prove doesn't even seem to be true in general. Draw a diagram and show some work first, then we can help you.

3. Apr 27, 2006

### HallsofIvy

I assume that by "procude" you mean to extend the line BA out to X.

You can't prove this- it isn't true.

Easy counterexample: Let ABCD be a square (which is a kind parallelgram). Let s be the common length of the sides. Extending BA to X such that the length of AB is equal to the length of AX means that the length of BX is 2s. Drawing the line segement CX gives a right triangle with legs of length s and 2s. The measure of the angle XCB is given by
tan(XCB)= 2s/s= 2. Since that is finite, XCB is not a right triangle. (Or, more simply, XCB is an angle in a right triangle with right angle at B. A triangle cannot have two right angles!)

4. Apr 29, 2006

### ngkamsengpeter

But I draw it and it show it really 90 degree .See the diagram below :

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5. Apr 29, 2006

### HallsofIvy

That has nothing to do with the problem you initially stated. Yes, it is possible to draw a parallelogram such that the angle XCB is a right angle.
However, the problem, as you initially stated it was
And that, in general, is not true.

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6. Apr 29, 2006

### Curious3141

I can't even see the diagram.

7. Apr 30, 2006

### HallsofIvy

You didn't miss anything. It was a parallelogram (a rhombus, actually) carefully drawn to give the special case where the angle IS a right angle.

8. May 2, 2006

### ngkamsengpeter

But can I prove ?

9. May 2, 2006

### Curious3141

There's nothing to prove if the proposition is false.

10. May 2, 2006

### ngkamsengpeter

What do you mean by the proposition is false since the diagram show that the angle is really 90 degree.

11. May 2, 2006

### Curious3141

Certainly if your parallelogram is a rhombus with internal angles of 60 and 120 degrees, angle XCB is 90 degrees. That's the diagram you drew,

But it isn't true in general! Nowhere in the original question were limits placed on the dimensions or internal angles of the parallelogram. In all the infinite number of possible cases where the conditions of the question are met, most of them will have angle XCB NOT equal to 90 degrees.

Do you see ?

12. May 3, 2006

### ngkamsengpeter

That means that the angle is 90 degree only when the internal angle is 60 or 120 degree right ?

13. May 3, 2006

### Curious3141

For a rhombus, it only works if you draw it exactly like you did. If ABC is the 120 degree angle instead it doesn't work.

You don't necessarily need a rhombus. It works in some parallelograms too.

In parallelogram ABCD, the length BA = CD = l (length) and AD = BC = w (width) (as you drew it, except in your diagram, you drew a rhombus where l = w).

Angle BCX is only 90 degrees if angle ABC = theta satisfies $$\cos\theta = \frac{w}{2l}$$