Geometry of a conformal disk

Your Name]In summary, the conversation discusses the use of the conformal Poincaré disk and the inclusion of the C of Lambert's area formula in the distance formula. The reason for this inclusion is to account for the curvature of the space, as non-Euclidean geometries do not follow the same rules as Euclidean geometry. The constant C represents the curvature of the space and is necessary for accurately calculating distances in this geometry.
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For better or worse, I've begun to work Penrose's book Road to Reality. In the second chapter, one of his exercises (supposedly simple) has entirely eluded me. Penrose presents the conformal Poincaré disk and gives the equation for hyperbolic distance between two points [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] inside the circle: [tex]\log\frac{QA\cdot PB}{QB\cdot PA},[/tex] where [tex]P[/tex] and [tex]Q[/tex] are the points where the Euclidean circle through [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] orthogonal to the bounding circle meets the bounding circle and where [tex]QA, QB, PA, PB,[/tex] are Euclidean distances. See the figure below.

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Now, Penrose simply says that you can include the [tex]C[/tex] of Lambert's area formula, which is given by the equation [tex]\pi-(\alpha+\beta+\gamma)=C\Delta[/tex] (where [tex]\Delta[/tex] is the area of the triangle and [tex]C[/tex] is some constant), by multiplying the distance formula above by [tex]C^{-1/2}[/tex], where [tex]C\neq 1[/tex]. He asks if you can see a simple reason why.

My feeling is that it's because [tex]AB[/tex] is just one side of a triangle, and [tex]C[/tex] must be adjusted thereby. But this feels incomplete at best, and entirely off-track at worst. Any ideas? A hint in the right direction would be better than the outright correct answer. Thanks in advance!
 
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Hello there,

I can understand your confusion with this exercise. The reason why you need to include the C of Lambert's area formula is because the conformal Poincaré disk is a non-Euclidean geometry and therefore the usual Euclidean distance formula does not apply. In this geometry, the distance between two points is given by the logarithm of the ratio of the Euclidean distances, as you have correctly stated.

However, when we introduce the C of Lambert's area formula, we are essentially adjusting for the curvature of the space. The constant C represents the curvature of the space and is not equal to 1 in this non-Euclidean geometry. Therefore, we need to include it in the distance formula to account for this curvature.

To understand this better, think of it this way: In Euclidean geometry, the sum of the angles in a triangle is always equal to 180 degrees. However, in non-Euclidean geometries like the conformal Poincaré disk, this is not the case. The sum of the angles in a triangle will be less than or greater than 180 degrees, depending on the curvature of the space. This is where the constant C comes into play.

I hope this helps to clarify the concept for you. Keep up the good work with Penrose's book and don't hesitate to ask for further clarification if needed.
 

1. What is a conformal disk?

A conformal disk is a type of geometric shape that maintains its angles and shapes when it is projected onto a plane. This means that the disk appears the same no matter how it is rotated or viewed.

2. How is the conformal disk different from a regular disk?

A regular disk is a flat, circular shape that does not maintain its angles and shapes when projected onto a plane. This means that the disk will look different depending on how it is rotated or viewed.

3. What is the purpose of studying the geometry of a conformal disk?

Studying the geometry of a conformal disk can help us understand how shapes and angles behave when they are projected onto a plane. It also has practical applications in cartography, computer graphics, and engineering.

4. What are some real-world examples of conformal disks?

Some real-world examples of conformal disks include maps, globes, and computer-generated images of 3D objects. These objects are often projected onto a 2D surface, and the conformal nature of the disk ensures that their shapes and angles remain the same.

5. Are there any limitations to the conformal disk model?

Yes, there are limitations to the conformal disk model. It assumes that the surface being projected onto is flat, and it does not account for distortions that may occur in real-life scenarios. Additionally, the conformal disk model only applies to 2D shapes and cannot be applied to 3D objects.

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