Getting rid of fuel cell / flow battery membrane

In summary, the speakers discuss the possibility of using a magnetic field to control the flow of ions in an electrolyte, allowing only neutral molecules to pass through. They consider using different combinations of ions and discuss the potential limitations of this method. The conversation also touches on the idea of a membrane-less system for flow batteries and its potential benefits.
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I am aware of laminar flow but would like to look for some other ways.
Is it possible to block ions from flowing in the "wrong" direction by applying a magnetic field to the electrolyte and let neutral molecules pass through?
 
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As an example (which probably won't work but other combinations may), a magnetic field is setup to allow positively charged ions to flow from negative half cell to positive half cell but not the other way round.
In the negative half cell, H2PO2- is oxidized to HPO32-, both ions are negatively charged thus won't flow to the positive half cell.
In the positive half cell, VO2+ is reduced to VO2+, both ions are positively charged thus won't flow to negative half cell.
 
  • #3
You are leaving out the proton and hydroxide redox half reactions in your example, which complete the electrical circuit and generate movement of (at minimum) water between the electrodes. I don't think your proposed membrane-less scheme will work because the magnetic field strength is much weaker than other motive forces acting on the ions in solution.
 
  • #4
Yeah, looks like one reaction is acidic while the other is basic. Perhaps S22-/S42-,Fe3+/Fe2+ is a better example?
How do you calculate other forces (diffusion?)?
 
  • #5
Can you explain what would be the point of this?
 
  • #6
Ion exchange membrane is often a bottleneck in flow batteries, a membraneless system can reduce complexity and improve efficiency.
 

1. How do fuel cells and flow batteries work?

Fuel cells and flow batteries work by converting chemical energy into electrical energy. In a fuel cell, a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen produces water and electricity. In a flow battery, two separate electrolyte solutions are pumped through a membrane, producing electricity when they react.

2. Why is it important to get rid of fuel cell/flow battery membranes?

Fuel cell and flow battery membranes can become damaged or clogged over time, reducing the efficiency and lifespan of the system. Getting rid of these membranes is necessary to maintain the functionality and performance of the fuel cell or flow battery.

3. What methods are used to remove fuel cell/flow battery membranes?

There are several methods used to remove fuel cell and flow battery membranes, including chemical dissolution, thermal treatment, and mechanical separation. The most suitable method will depend on the type of membrane and the desired outcome.

4. How can I dispose of fuel cell/flow battery membranes safely?

The disposal of fuel cell and flow battery membranes should be done in accordance with local regulations and guidelines for hazardous waste. It is important to properly label and package the membranes to prevent any potential harm to the environment or human health.

5. Can the removed membranes be recycled?

Yes, some fuel cell and flow battery membranes can be recycled. However, the recycling process can be complex and costly. It is important to consult with a recycling facility that specializes in handling these types of materials to determine the feasibility and best approach for recycling the membranes.

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