Ghost Sightings in UK Since Roman Times: Is There a Time Limit?

[wolram]

do ghosts have a time limit, in the uk i think ghosts have
been sighted back to the roman era, but as far as i know
no stone, bronze or iron age ghosts have been sighted,
is the same true for species ,horses ,dogs have been
reported, but again as far as i know no cows, sheep,
Dino's etc, what is going on does one have to be in the
club to become a ghost?

 

[zoobyshoe]

A couple years ago there was a guy on The Art Bell show who maintained that Nessie was the ghost of an aquatic dinosaur.

 

[Evo]

do ghosts have a time limit, in the uk i think ghosts have
been sighted back to the roman era, but as far as i know
no stone, bronze or iron age ghosts have been sighted,
is the same true for species ,horses ,dogs have been
reported, but again as far as i know no cows, sheep,
Dino's etc, what is going on does one have to be in the
club to become a ghost?

I've never thought about that. Interesting. Isn't one hypothesis that the "surroundings" pick up the vibrations or emanations and that's why it's ususally buildings that have ghosts? As for outdoor ghosts, too much has changed since those earlier times.

I've always wondered if there really were ghosts, why aren't hospitals the most haunted places on earth? Think of how many people die in a hospital daily. Victims of tragic accidents, murder victims, etc...

 

[zoobyshoe]

Isn't one hypothesis that the "surroundings" pick up the vibrations or emanations and that's why it's ususally buildings that have ghosts?

That's The Stone Tape "theory". I put "theory" in quotes because there was no actual theory, just some random speculation by a British professor. The British entertainment industry got hold of the idea and made a famous horror story based on the notion:

Google Search: The Stone Tape
Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=The+Stone+Tape&btnG=Google+Search

There isn't actually any mechanism remotely like this known to science.

 

[Evo]

That's The Stone Tape "theory". I put "theory" in quotes because there was no actual theory, just some random speculation by a British professor. The British entertainment industry got hold of the idea and made a famous horror story based on the notion:

Google Search: The Stone Tape
Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=The+Stone+Tape&btnG=Google+Search

There isn't actually any mechanism remotely like this known to science.

Do you know if this is available in the US? European DVD's don't work here.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Do you know if this is available in the US?

I have no idea. Sorry.

European DVD's don't work here.

You mean they don't work here because they're not here, they're in Europe? Or is there really a difference in the two technologies?

 

[wolram]

So what is the oldest ghost? apart from nessie.
do people see cave men ghosts?
ghost animals?
Evo said hospitals ought to be the most haunted
i guess that's true, but where are ghosts most often
sighted?

 

[Evo]

You mean they don't work here because they're not here, they're in Europe? Or is there really a difference in the two technologies?

Not a difference in technology. There's some type of coding in them that won't allow you to play US DVD's in Europe & vice versa. The players sold in the US & Europe are set up to read the coding.

 

[Ebolamonk3y]

DVD-Roms or just regular actualy DVD players? Because for the drives for comp you can flashbios and remove the international lock on DVDs...

http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php -- Search your drive and flash firmware and your done!

 

[Evo]

The actual DVD player.

 

[Ebolamonk3y]

:(

Is there a flashbios for actualy DVD players?

 

[Evo]

So what is the oldest ghost? apart from nessie.
do people see cave men ghosts?
ghost animals?
Evo said hospitals ought to be the most haunted
i guess that's true, but where are ghosts most often
sighted?

Good questions Wolram, now I've got to do some checking.

 

[zoobyshoe]

So what is the oldest ghost?

Like you, the oldest ghost I have ever heard reported was from a man who saw the legs of marching Roman soldiers when he was standing in some Roman ruins unearthed in London.

apart from nessie.

I don't think anyine thinks Nessie is a ghost except that one guy.

do people see cave men ghosts?

I've never heard of any, but people here see Native American ghosts. I would expect aboriginal ghosts are reported in Australia. There would be no telling how "old" they were.

ghost animals?

I haven't heard of any.

Evo said hospitals ought to be the most haunted
i guess that's true, but where are ghosts most often
sighted?

The majority of the stories I've heard involve seeing them in residential settings. A smaller percentage of stories are about outdoor sightings.

 

[Kalimaa23]

I took my DVD player to a local electonics store, got myself a 20€ chip and now I can play Asian and US dvd's as well

I suggest you ask around to see if you can do something similar

 

[Evo]

Thanks Dimitri!

 

[the number 42]

What about Vic Tandy's suggestion that some ghosts are just the result of features of the structues that they are felt or seen in? He says that rooms of a certain shape that have a resonant frequency of 19Hz (caused to vibrate by an underground river or wind etc) can induce feelings of fear and glimpses of ghostly shapes out of the corner of the eye. This is probably most likely to happen in old houses or other 'spooky' places, as they prime us to attribute weird experiences to supernatural forces.

He first put out this idea, backed up by only a small amount of research, a few years ago. I haven't heard much about the 19Hz business since.

By the way, in my opinion the only good ghost is a dead ghost. End of.

 

[zoobyshoe]

What about Vic Tandy's suggestion that some ghosts are just the result of features of the structues that they are felt or seen in? He says that rooms of a certain shape that have a resonant frequency of 19Hz (caused to vibrate by an underground river or wind etc) can induce feelings of fear and glimpses of ghostly shapes out of the corner of the eye.

We have definately discussed every detail and element of this theory:

UK Man "Foils" Ghosts - Physics Help and Math Help - Physics Forums
Address:https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=13559

 

[the number 42]

True, but did any of you go out and do some field work, or make 19Hz generators to spook yourselves out? Thing is, that was all a couple of years ago - has anyone got any updates?

Anyway to address the orignal question, I think there was programme on the TV (UK) about research into the resonant frequencies of ancient burial sites. Sorry to not exactly give the full reference, but this might be where some of the earliest ghostly experiences might have been had.

 

[the number 42]

Apologies, the last posting was only a few months ago. But see what I mean? It FEELS like it was ages ago! Come on, let's dredge this one up.

 

[wolram]

From The Folklore of warwickshire.

Walton Hall Hotel in Stratford------ Several people claim
to have seen a spectral white horse which gallops over
the front lawns at five yearly intervals, on 9th october.

 

[Evo]

Wolram, I found this reference to a stone age ghost.

STONE AGE GHOST

Perhaps the oldest ghost story recorded in the world.

The Stone Age Ghost gallops on horseback across Cranborne Chase in Dorset.

This ghost appears in furs and rides his shaggy mount bareback with an axe in his hand.

Some people believe the Stone Age Ghost was a warrior.

http://www.paralumun.com/ghostage.htm

it's also listed here - http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/List of haunted locations

 

[zoobyshoe]

Apologies, the last posting was only a few months ago. But see what I mean? It FEELS like it was ages ago! Come on, let's dredge this one up.

Just post something at the end of that thread. It will come forward to the top of the list. Wolram's thread here is about a completely different aspect of "ghosts".

 

[zoobyshoe]

From The Folklore of warwickshire.

Walton Hall Hotel in Stratford------ Several people claim
to have seen a spectral white horse which gallops over
the front lawns at five yearly intervals, on 9th october.

It's hard to swallow the notion of a horse ghost that appears according to the schedule of a human calendar, and adjusts for leap year each time.

 

[Evo]

It's hard to swallow the notion of a horse ghost that appears according to the schedule of a human calendar, and adjusts for leap year each time.

It's obviously a very smart horse.

 

[wolram]

Nice one Evo, STONE AGE GHOST.

I agree with zooby with regard to Ghost horse ,I'm
always skeptical about folklore, but if several
unconnected eye witnesses report the same
apparition its worth investigating, and its a bit
of fun

 

[Ivan Seeking]

It's hard to swallow the notion of a horse ghost that appears according to the schedule of a human calendar, and adjusts for leap year each time.

To be fair, what would a ghost use for a clock? The problem is that were something like this to be true, we have no way to gauge what does and does not make sense. Maybe "real" ghosts show up when we expect them...who knows?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

STONE AGE GHOST.

I was thinking that as far as historical accounts, this might partly be a question of language. For example, might an apparition seen by people in 2000 BC be perceived as a deity, or a sign from a god, or a warning of some kind? Maybe ghostly encounters can take on many different unrecognized names throughout different cultures, and going way back in time.

Next, some of the "New Age" stuff would imply that ghosts do have a time limit - the idea being that something holds them [the spirit of the deceased] in this world, something that they are not willing to part with, but that eventually they do find their way: "Go towards the light" now being a cliché.