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News Girl stabbed 19 times by 12-year-old friends

  1. Jun 3, 2014 #1
    This happened in the same town I grew up and I even went to the same middle school, so this hits close to home. The motivation was to appease Slender Man, a story made up on some internet forum. These deranged girls took it too far. Some parents are calling for more internet monitoring. Like that will do any good. They could have used anything as inspiration. Time and time again they question is whether these girls had any past signs of needing help. Poor mental health strikes again IMO.

    12-year-old Wisconsin girl stabbed 19 times; friends arrested
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/justice/wisconsin-girl-stabbed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
     
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  3. Jun 3, 2014 #2
    Some years back there was an incident where some crazy teen girls, 12-14-15 or so had a party and poured some high concetrated alkali liquid (basic?) they use for cleaning drainpipes on the house owner's cat. I didn't even care about the messed-up-in-the-head-severely-retarded-girls, I felt sorry for the cat.

    I keep hearing about crazy shizzle happening everywhere, 10 years ago I would have had a shock, now, it just don't surprise me. Like, I don't know how to react to this kind of stuff anymore :s As if it's some kind of norm. You go to work and say: "hey what's new?" and they say indifferently: "oh some kids got shot in some school, you know, the usual" and instead of freaking out and going "oh my gooooood" you just don't care.

    I will get 10000 times more upset if I hear about some mis-treatment of animals compared to reading about school shooting or stabbings.
     
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  4. Jun 3, 2014 #3

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    Those kids must've had a messed up youth to perform such an act of violence. I'm surprised they're going to trial the girls as adults, they're children. I wonder what the future holds for them. I'm glad the girl survived, hopefully she will overcome the injuries and have good support for her future.
     
  5. Jun 3, 2014 #4
    Bizarre, to say the least.

    I am of the opinion that crazy stuff like this happens everyday somewhere, but a lot of it goes unreported in the national press and they just pick and choose a story to follow for their readership.
     
  6. Jun 4, 2014 #5
    I agree.

    As for the event itself, I feel indignation. :mad: Argh, this is so frustrating.

    Makes me wonder: what if it was me? And makes me want to train even harder. I have to become stronger.

    I really hope she gets better and her body recovers to a proper condition in which she can train for the future and show offenders that she is no one to mess with.
    Exactly, that's why I say training.
     
  7. Jun 4, 2014 #6

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    Terrible news.. :frown: Poor girl..
    And those two stabers are treated as adults - max 65 yrs in prison ? starting from age of 12.. my god, thats equally terrible.
    I wonder what parents can do to prevent this kind of violence ? Talk more with their kids ? Talk about world that surrounds us and this kind of brilliant ideas that sometimes appears in young minds ?

    What do you think ?
     
  8. Jun 4, 2014 #7

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    They stabbed someone so they have to pay for it. What if they stabbed you? Will you say "Poor girls,they stabbed me and they are being put inside prison for 65 years"?

    12 year people are not small babies, they should be able to understand the world around them. It's the law that made x>18 years adults. However, its nature which decides when a child will truly become an adult. They understand that stabbing someone will be fatal.
     
  9. Jun 4, 2014 #8

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    It is scientifically proven that the brain is not fully developed until around 21-25 years of age. Those girls should not be treated as adults, because they aren't.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
     
  10. Jun 4, 2014 #9

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    What if the girl who was stabbed was your daughter? Will you still say that they should not be punished? Yes, 65 years is too much for them but they should be punished.
     
  11. Jun 4, 2014 #10

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    Of course, but what is an appropriate punishment. You think jail time would do them good? I think they need some serious counseling and give back to society by working with victims of crimes or caring for the disabled. That would teach them a lesson.
     
  12. Jun 4, 2014 #11

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    Or my daughter.. Should I ask to hang them then ? C'mon.
    I'm not so sure that they knew what were they doing. You know any 12 yo kids ? Imagine them separated from parents\family and put them in jail. Trauma.

    Again, you know any 12 yo kids ? Do they act like aduls ? From my expierence they don't.
     
  13. Jun 4, 2014 #12

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    Yeah. I think I am being too cruel :redface:

    Yes. When I was 12, I knew that hurting and killing people were not good. I knew it very well. I can't even imagine killing someone.I played games like God of War when I was 12, but I knew that I am in the real world and god of war is fictional.
    I think it's the responsibility of their parents to teach that to them. Their parents need serious counseling too.
     
  14. Jun 4, 2014 #13
    A 12 year old individual should be able to discern the difference between right and wrong, and to me the something that is terrible about this is that the two girls set out to murder someone else on a lark, in a premeditated fashion. At that young of an age where does someone get the idea of murder? Their age of innocence must have been surely long gone to have such thoughts in their minds.
     
  15. Jun 4, 2014 #14

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    Yes. I agree completely
     
  16. Jun 4, 2014 #15

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    Should and can are two very different things. They can't, at least not fully. Countries all over the world treat youth and adult offenders differently. Look what these girls did: They attempted to kill a friend to impress to a character who exists only in fictional stories. These girls can't tell fact from fiction.

    That children are not adults is why countries all over the world have an age below which children can't vote, an age below which they can't drive a car, an age below which they can't drink, an age below which they can't join the military. There are also special protections for children in most countries. An adult having sex with an underage child is a very serious crime in most countries. There is no such thing as consensual sex between an adult and a child. Children also receive special protections when they commit crimes. Adults are deemed responsible; children are not. These special protections and special treatments are the flip side of barring children from voting, driving, drinking, or fighting in wars.
     
  17. Jun 4, 2014 #16

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    Does that mean that I was extraordinary?(No offence intended*Try to recall, were you so innocent that you lived in imaginary worlds when you were 12?) Trying to kill someone is too much,even for 12 year olds.
     
  18. Jun 4, 2014 #17

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    Just to share some related information, I knew a person in real life who developed a sort of murderous nature when he/she was about 13 or 14. The person used to be pretty confident and friendly as a child but when the person reached that age, he/she became sort of anti-social and strange. On top of that, some of the stuff the person began to say was disturbing.

    The person started telling his/her friends (I was one of the person's friends, too. Though we were not that close) of dreaming about some sort of religious entity giving him orders. The person once said that he/she had been ordered to kill a family member. At this point, we became sort of concerned and informed his/her parents and the family member in question about the issue. The person received counseling and a few months later he/she became normal again. All I'm saying is, people at that age getting these ideas isn't as rare as you think.

    In addition, It's not slender-man or other internet folklore that's the issue since the person I'm talking about didn't even have an internet connection at the time. The real problem, in my opinion, is the negligence of the parents, guardians and/or family members of the girls who stabbed that poor child. I'm sure with a little bit of counseling they would have become alright and have turned out to be an asset for the society. The person I talked about now has lots of friends, has a great sense of humor and wants to be a doctor after high-school, to help people.
     
  19. Jun 4, 2014 #18

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    In the US, in many states the juvenile justice system "resets" at the age of majority, and no matter what juvenile offenses one may have committed, one is released into society. I can understand why people might not want to release someone who planned a murder for months and feels no remorse about it after just a few years.

    If you want to argue that there needs to be more of a continuum, I would agree with you.
     
  20. Jun 4, 2014 #19

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    You mean maturity? If they're treated as adults, they'll be in the juvenile system? And what would that mean, they'd be able to get an education?
     
  21. Jun 4, 2014 #20

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    V50 meant what he wrote, which was majority. When a person matures varies from individual to individual. Some children are very mature and very responsible, some adults remain very immature throughout their lives. Age of majority is a somewhat arbitrary line drawn in the sand that says "you are now legally an adult." It is strictly based on age, typically the 18th birthday.

    In most states, juvenile records are expunged at the age of majority. Is is as if their juvenile crimes didn't happen. In a regular criminal court, the jury is responsible for finding the defendant guilty or not guilty (not guilty or innocent). In a juvenile court, the finding is delinquent or not delinquent rather than guilty or not guilty.

    People under the age of majority can be tried as adults if the circumstances warrant it. When that happens, the finding will be guilty or not guilty rather than delinquent or not delinquent, and if found guilty, the record will not be expunged when the defendant reaches the age of majority.
     
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