God belongs to what existence category?

[BoulderHead]

Originally posted by Netme
Surely there must be a beggining to all this and how would you explain the begginings of the universe if there were no creator to start it.

How would you explain the begginings of the creator?

 

[Netme]

Originally posted by BoulderHead
How would you explain the begginings of the creator?

Time may not apply to our creator.

 

[heusdens]

Originally posted by Netme
Time may not apply to our creator.

Therefore existence might not apply to the concept of this "creator"

 

[Netme]

Originally posted by heusdens
Therefore existence might not apply to the concept of this "creator"

Ive already given a explanation for that.
You show no explanation of your theories and it looks to me like you just criticise others without good reason or thought.

 

[Royce]

Originally posted by heusdens

The first category of existence is therefore the category of material existence. This category of existence implies that the things that belong to this category exist in a timely, spacely fashion, and undergo change/motion,

Are there other categories of existence?
Well yes there are, and they can be designated to have existence as well, because we can define this category of existence within our mind.

Are there only two catagories of existence? I submit that there is at least one more that none of you have so far mentioned. The spiritual catagory of existence. I realize that such a plane of existence cannot be proved (unless your a spiritualist or mystic, shaman etc.) The spirit plane by definition exist outside of space time. It is devoid of matter and physical energy and time. The buddhist and other asian religions refer to it as the Void. Some christians think of it as heaven. Suppose that God exists in the spirit world but can when he wants or sees the need transcend it and communicate or influence the Material world as well as the mental world of existence.
How can I prove that such a world exists? I can't by any scientific, materialistic evidence. By subjective evidence I personally testify to it existence as well as millions of others possible including yourself, heusdens. This of course is not acceptable truth or evidence and I won't persue that line any longer.
How do I know God exists? Simply for the same reasons that I know you exist. I ask you a question and you answer with information that I did not previously know. I ask God, "ask and you shall know",
and then I knew. I knew the complete answer, knew it to be true and knew many if not all of the implications and ramifications of the answer. That for me was enough 'kicking the rock' to be sure it existed though I've done it many times.
Is this enought to prove that God exists? No, not by any means other than to myself.
Am I self delusional? Possibly but I can't figure out how I deluded myself into knowing and understanding something that I did not know or understand before. Am I a liar? Possibly, but prove it. Can you reproduce the experiment and get the same or comperable results to validate my experience? I don't know. Try it and see. Ask a question of God. Meditate or contemplate or do nothing about it for a while and see for yourself if your question is answered. Let me know.

 

[Netme]

Re: Re: God belongs to what existence category?

Originally posted by Royce
Are there only two catagories of existence? I submit that there is at least one more that none of you have so far mentioned. The spiritual catagory of existence. I realize that such a plane of existence cannot be proved (unless your a spiritualist or mystic, shaman etc.) The spirit plane by definition exist outside of space time. It is devoid of matter and physical energy and time. The buddhist and other asian religions refer to it as the Void. Some christians think of it as heaven. Suppose that God exists in the spirit world but can when he wants or sees the need transcend it and communicate or influence the Material world as well as the mental world of existence.
How can I prove that such a world exists? I can't by any scientific, materialistic evidence. By subjective evidence I personally testify to it existence as well as millions of others possible including yourself, heusdens. This of course is not acceptable truth or evidence and I won't persue that line any longer.
How do I know God exists? Simply for the same reasons that I know you exist. I ask you a question and you answer with information that I did not previously know. I ask God, "ask and you shall know",
and then I knew. I knew the complete answer, knew it to be true and knew many if not all of the implications and ramifications of the answer. That for me was enough 'kicking the rock' to be sure it existed though I've done it many times.
Is this enought to prove that God exists? No, not by any means other than to myself.
Am I self delusional? Possibly but I can't figure out how I deluded myself into knowing and understanding something that I did not know or understand before. Am I a liar? Possibly, but prove it. Can you reproduce the experiment and get the same or comperable results to validate my experience? I don't know. Try it and see. Ask a question of God. Meditate or contemplate or do nothing about it for a while and see for yourself if your question is answered. Let me know.

What praying or meditating does is it forces you to focus on certain things And to help you think more clearly that is all.

 

[Royce]

No that is not all.
First praying is the opposite of meditation. When we pray we talk to God. When we meditate God talks to us. I've said this before in other posts but it bears repeating.
I am talking about actually coming to know previously unknown things. Actually gaining new information as well as understanding.

One thing I do want to point out and make absoluely clear is that I am not talking about seeing or predicting the future or asking God or whatever what will be oe what will come to pass.

 

[heusdens]

Re: Re: God belongs to what existence category?

Royce:
Like I alreay explained, we can distinguish between material existence and that of consciousness, mental existence, but fact is, that the second is dependend on the first. So, I could as well state there is only one category of existence, which is material existence.

We can of course create as many catagories of existence as we need or find usefull, in our mind. This doesn't mean that something out of material existence does exist, but only we can think about it.

About asking question and getting answers. I know I can ask myself a question, and dig into my consciousness. But even when labelling this experience as "asking God", still I don't see any reason to suspect that outside of my mind, God exists.

It is not possible to proof that something that doesn't exist, does not exist, so I would not try the impossible.

 

[Royce]

If, as you say, heusdens, that all that exists is material and consciousness is nothing more that a product of the material universe and that is the all inclusive everything that is, then, of course, you are right. The discussion is now ended as are most philosophical discussions. It is all material and the imaterial is, in a word, immaterial ie. nonexistant and irrelative.

The absaence of proof does not prove anything, however, especially when we refuse to look for proof; or, if it does show up, refuse to accept it and continue to deny its existance.