# Gravity and spinning charges

1. Apr 26, 2004

### kurious

Gravitons increase the speed at which a charge sphere spins and increase its mass.
So an electron has a smaller mass than a proton because its spins more slowly.
Because the proton has 1835 x mass of electron and because the electron spins at 10 ^ 14 metres per second - to give the observed magnetic moment- this means,bearing in mind (1 – v^2 / vfast^2)^ 1/2 , that the proton spins at 10 ^ 17 metres per second – at least !!
The spin of a charge sphere is quantised.
Gravitons and photons are massless because they don’t have spinning charges.
It is my belief that they consist of non-spinning quarks.

2. May 1, 2004

### ZelmersZoetrop

...wow. OK, let's begin at the top. Gravitons increase the angular speed of a charged sphere? I'm not sure where this one comes from. Gravitons increase mass? A very odd way of looking at it, but, I suppose, acceptable. Mass is that quality of a body which is it's resistance to acceleration. Gravitons are the carriers of the gravitational force. In the presence of more gravitons, it is plausible that mass might be considered to increase, although I doubt it; we'll have to wait for a thoery of quantum gravity to find out for sure. Electrons have less mass because they spin less quickly? Where did this idea come from in the first place?

By vfast I assume you mean c, given the placement in the equation.

How you can say gravtions and photons are massless due to the lack of spinning charge is beyond me. Nuetrons have no charge, and yet have mass. Even more baffling is the statement that gravitons and photons are made of non-spinning quarks. How, exactly, could particles like quarks with mass combine into a massless particle?

3. May 1, 2004

### Antonio Lao

What actually creates the force of gravity is not spinning charge but spinning one dimensional space (accelerated - constant change of direction but the magnitude stays the same). There must be two spin axes (path of one is the axis of the other) in order for total spin configuration to be conserved. The invariant quantity is the square of energy, a true quantum. There are two kinds of square of energy. Their matrix addition gives values for electric charge and their matrix multiplication gives values for mass. The incorporation of these ideas gives close agreement for the mass ratio of proton and electron within 1 percent of experimental error.