Solving an IVP with Green's Theorem: Wondering?

In summary: The odd extension is needed because $u=w$ would give an equation in the real domain and we want to solve in the imaginary domain.
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Hey! :eek:

If we have the initial and boundary value problem $$u_{tt}(x,t)-c^2u_{xx}(x,t)=0, x>0, t>0 \\ u(0,t)=0 \\ u(x,0)=f(x), x\geq 0 \\ u_t(x,0)=g(x)$$ and we want to apply Green's theorem do we have to expand the problem to $x \in \mathbb{R}$ ?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :eek:

If we have the initial and boundary value problem $$u_{tt}(x,t)-c^2u_{xx}(x,t)=0, x>0, t>0 \\ u(0,t)=0 \\ u(x,0)=f(x), x\geq 0 \\ u_t(x,0)=g(x)$$ and we want to apply Green's theorem do we have to expand the problem to $x \in \mathbb{R}$ ?? (Wondering)

Couldn't you just separate the variables?
 
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Yes, but I want to use this method.

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In my notes they do it as followed:

$$w_{tt}-c^2w_{xx}=0, x \in \mathbb{R}, t>0 \\ w(x,0)=f_{\text{odd}}(x), x \in \mathbb{R} \\ w_t(x,0)=g_{\text{odd}} (x), x \in \mathbb{R}$$

$$w(x,t)=\frac{1}{2}(f_{\text{odd}}(x-ct)+f_{\text{odd}}(x+ct))+\frac{1}{2c}\int_{x-ct}^{x+ct}g_{\text{odd}}(s)ds \\ w(0,t)=\frac{1}{2}(f_{\text{odd}}(-ct)+f_{\text{odd}}(ct))+\frac{1}{2c}\int_{-ct}^{ct}g_{\text{odd}}(s)ds=0$$

So, for $x>0, t>0$

$$u(x,t)=w(x,t)=\frac{1}{2}(f_{\text{odd}}(x-ct)+f_{\text{odd}}(x+ct))+\frac{1}{2c}\int_{x-ct}^{x+ct}g_{\text{odd}}(s)ds$$

$$u(x,t)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
\frac{1}{2}{(f(x-ct)+f(x+ct))+\frac{1}{2c}{\int_{x-ct}^{x+ct}g(s)ds, \ \ x-ct \geq 0}}\\ \\
\frac{1}{2}(-f(ct-x)+f(x+ct))+\frac{1}{2c}\int_{ct-x}^{x+ct}g(s)ds \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \
\end{matrix}\right.$$

Why have we taken the odd extension although we solve $u$ and not $w$ ?? (Wondering)
 

1. How does Green's theorem help in solving an initial value problem (IVP)?

Green's theorem is a powerful tool in solving IVPs because it allows us to convert a line integral into a double integral, which can often be easier to evaluate. This makes Green's theorem particularly useful in cases where the solution to an IVP involves finding a path integral.

2. What is the process for using Green's theorem to solve an IVP?

To use Green's theorem to solve an IVP, we first need to rewrite the IVP as a system of differential equations. Then, we can apply Green's theorem to convert the line integral into a double integral. Finally, we can solve the double integral and use the solution to find the solution to the IVP.

3. Can Green's theorem be applied to any type of IVP?

Green's theorem can be applied to many types of IVPs, particularly those that involve finding a path integral. However, there may be cases where Green's theorem is not applicable or does not provide a simpler solution.

4. What are the limitations of using Green's theorem to solve an IVP?

One limitation of using Green's theorem is that it requires the IVP to be reformulated as a system of differential equations. This may not always be possible or practical. Additionally, Green's theorem may not always provide a simpler solution compared to other methods.

5. Are there any real-world applications of solving an IVP with Green's theorem?

Yes, Green's theorem has many real-world applications, particularly in physics and engineering. For example, it can be used to calculate the work done by a force along a path or the flow of a fluid around a closed path. It can also be used in solving problems involving electric and magnetic fields.

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