Why is G abelian if |G/Z(G)|=p with p prime?

In summary: I am not sure what you mean. You said something about "the action has to be" but you didn't say what it has to be. Can you fill in the blank?In summary, the conversation discusses the theorem that states |G/Z(G)|=p with p prime implies G/Z(G) is cyclic and thus G is abelian. The ambiguity arises when considering the theorem that says G abelian \Leftrightarrow Z(G)=G, and the question of what happens if |G|=p^{3} and |Z(G)|=p^{2}. Through examining the exact sequence of groups, it is proven that this situation cannot occur and it can be used to prove that all groups of order p^{2}
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Menelaus
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I am aware of the theorem |G/Z(G)|=p with p prime implies G/Z(G) is cyclic and thus G is abelian, but I do not understand why. Is there not a theorem that says G abelian [itex]\Leftrightarrow[/itex] Z(G)=G? So what if |G|=p[itex]^{3}[/itex] and |Z(G)|=p[itex]^{2}[/itex]? This implies |G/Z(G)|=p implying G is abelian however G[itex]\neq[/itex]Z(G). What is the ambiguity here?
 
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Menelaus said:
I am aware of the theorem |G/Z(G)|=p with p prime implies G/Z(G) is cyclic and thus G is abelian, but I do not understand why. Is there not a theorem that says G abelian [itex]\Leftrightarrow[/itex] Z(G)=G? So what if |G|=p[itex]^{3}[/itex] and |Z(G)|=p[itex]^{2}[/itex]? This implies |G/Z(G)|=p implying G is abelian however G[itex]\neq[/itex]Z(G). What is the ambiguity here?

There is no ambiguity. The situation you mention can just never occur. You have just proven that it can never oocur that |G|=p3 and |Z(G)|=p2.

You can use this, for example to prove that all groups of order p2 are abelian. Indeed, Z(G) is a subgroup of G, so there are three possibilities:
  • |Z(G)|=1 It can be proven that this can never happen (a group with prime order must always have nontrivial center)
  • |Z(G)|=p Then your theorem says the group is abelian, thus |Z(G)|=p2, which is a contradiction.
  • |Z(G)|=p2 is the only remaining possibility.
 
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Ah I see! Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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Menelaus said:
I am aware of the theorem |G/Z(G)|=p with p prime implies G/Z(G) is cyclic and thus G is abelian, but I do not understand why. Is there not a theorem that says G abelian [itex]\Leftrightarrow[/itex] Z(G)=G? So what if |G|=p[itex]^{3}[/itex] and |Z(G)|=p[itex]^{2}[/itex]? This implies |G/Z(G)|=p implying G is abelian however G[itex]\neq[/itex]Z(G). What is the ambiguity here?

Try looking at the exact sequence of groups,

0 -> Z(G) -> G -> G/Z(G) -> 1

- Any group of prime order is cyclic so G/Z(G) is cyclic.
- If the sequence is split then the group is isomorphic to the direct product Z(G) x G/Z(G)
so G is abelian and Z(G) = G
- If the sequence is not split what happens?
 
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lavinia said:
- If the sequence is split then the group is isomorphic to the direct product Z(G) x G/Z(G)
so G is abelian and Z(G) = G
- If the sequence is not split what happens?

I do not follow, I don't believe I've ever looked at this sequence or talked about what a split sequence is. Micromass cleared up the problem I was having though.
 
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lavinia said:
Try looking at the exact sequence of groups,

0 -> Z(G) -> G -> G/Z(G) -> 1

- Any group of prime order is cyclic so G/Z(G) is cyclic.
- If the sequence is split then the group is isomorphic to the direct product Z(G) x G/Z(G)
so G is abelian and Z(G) = G
- If the sequence is not split what happens?

lavina, do you mean not left-split (because right-splits need not be direct products)?
 
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Deveno said:
lavina, do you mean not left-split (because right-splits need not be direct products)?

To me split means that there is an inverse of the projection onto G/Z(G)

Since Z(G) is in the center of the group split means direct product - I think.

What you get is that there is a subgroup isomorphic to G/Z(G) that commutes with every other element of the group. this should be a direct product.

If the sequence is not split then a lift of a generator of the quotient has some power that lies in Z(G) but again it commutes with everything so G is abelian.
 
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Menelaus said:
I do not follow, I don't believe I've ever looked at this sequence or talked about what a split sequence is. Micromass cleared up the problem I was having though.

I am sorry. I thought he only cleared up a special case. Anyway. This is a different way of looking at the problem that I thought you might find interesting.
 
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lavinia said:
To me split means that there is an inverse of the projection onto G/Z(G)

Since Z(G) is in the center of the group split means direct product - I think.

What you get is that there is a subgroup isomorphic to G/Z(G) that commutes with every other element of the group. this should be a direct product.

If the sequence is not split then a lift of a generator of the quotient has some power that lies in Z(G) but again it commutes with everything so G is abelian.

ah, so you DID mean right-split. let me assure you that right-split ≠ direct product.

consider the following short exact sequence:

0→Cn→Dn→Dn/Cn→0.

(where we map a generator of Cn, to a generating rotation of Dn).

define:

f:Dn/Cn→Dn by:

f(Cn) = 1
f(Cns) = s

then if p is the canonical projection: p(f(Cnx)) = Cnx.

but Dn is certainly not a direct product of abelian groups.
 
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Deveno said:
ah, so you DID mean right-split. let me assure you that right-split ≠ direct product.

consider the following short exact sequence:

0→Cn→Dn→Dn/Cn→0.

(where we map a generator of Cn, to a generating rotation of Dn).

define:

f:Dn/Cn→Dn by:

f(Cn) = 1
f(Cns) = s

then if p is the canonical projection: p(f(Cnx)) = Cnx.

but Dn is certainly not a direct product of abelian groups.

If The kernel is in the center of the group then split means direct product. Otherwise not necessarily.I think the proof is straight forward.
 
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lavinia said:
If The kernel is in the center of the group then split means direct product. Otherwise not necessarily.I think the proof is straight forward.

i see how this is true, because if H acts on N by conjugation, and N is in Z(G), the action has to be trivial.
 
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Deveno said:
i see how this is true, because if H acts on N by conjugation, and N is in Z(G), the action has to be trivial.

yes. that's it.
 

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