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In summary, the conversation discusses the proof that the product of elements h and k, where h is in subgroup H and k is in subgroup K, is not a subgroup of the union of H and K. This is proven by showing that H and K fail to satisfy one of the three basic properties required of a group, namely the existence of an inverse element. Despite this, it is still unclear how to deduce that the union of H and K is not a subgroup of the original group G.
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1. Let G be a group containing subgroups H and K such that we can find an element h e H-K an an element k e K - H. Prove that h o k is not a subgroup of H U K. Deduce that H U K is not a subgroup of G.

I have proved that h o k is not in H U K but I don't know how to deduce that H U K is not a subgroup of G.
 
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If [tex]h \in H \setminus K[/tex], [tex]k \in K \setminus H[/tex], and you have proved that [tex]hk \notin H \cup K[/tex], that shows that [tex]H \cup K[/tex] fails to satisfy one of the three basic properties required of a group. Which one?
 
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ystael said:
If [tex]h \in H \setminus K[/tex], [tex]k \in K \setminus H[/tex], and you have proved that [tex]hk \notin H \cup K[/tex], that shows that [tex]H \cup K[/tex] fails to satisfy one of the three basic properties required of a group. Which one?

Inverse element?
 
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No, guess again...
 
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ystael said:
If [tex]h \in H \setminus K[/tex], [tex]k \in K \setminus H[/tex], and you have proved that [tex]hk \notin H \cup K[/tex], that shows that [tex]H \cup K[/tex] fails to satisfy one of the three basic properties required of a group. Which one?

xlalcciax said:
Inverse element?
Hi xlalcciax.

Are h, k ϵ H∪K ?
 

1. What is a subgroup?

A subgroup is a subset of a group that shares the same operation as the larger group and also forms a group itself.

2. How do you prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G?

To prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G, we need to show that it does not meet all of the criteria for being a subgroup. This includes showing that it is not a closed set, it does not contain the identity element, and it does not contain the inverse of each element.

3. What does the notation "H U K" mean in this context?

The notation "H U K" means the union of the sets H and K. This means that the set H U K contains all the elements of both H and K.

4. Why is it important to prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G?

It is important to prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G because if it were, it would mean that G is not a well-defined group. This could lead to inconsistencies and errors in mathematical calculations and proofs.

5. Are there any other methods to prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G?

Yes, there are other methods to prove that H U K is not a subgroup of G, such as using the subgroup criterion or showing that the set H U K is not closed under the group operation. However, the specific method of proof may vary depending on the context and specific details of the problem.

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