Harmonic oscillation

  • Thread starter Runei
  • Start date
  • #1
193
17
Hello,

When I have the differential equation

[tex]\frac{dY(x)}{dx} = -k^2 Y(x)[/tex]

The solution is of course harmonic oscillation, however, looking at various places I see the solution given as:
[tex]Y(x) = A cos(kx) + B sin(kx)[/tex]
instead of
[tex]Y(x) = A cos(kx + \phi_1) + B sin(kx + \phi_2)[/tex]

Isnt Equation 2 a more general solution than Equation 1? Or is there some reasoning (probably is) to make the phase angles go away?

Thank you.
 

Answers and Replies

  • #2
AlephZero
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
7,002
294
The general solution to a second order differential equation has 2 arbitrary coefficients, so you can't have a "more general solution" than ##A \cos kx + B \sin kx##.

For your second solution, you have ##\cos(kx + \phi_1) = \cos\phi_1\cos kx - \sin\phi_1\sin kx##, and a similar expression for ##\sin(kx + \phi_2)##, so you can rewrite the whole expression as ##P\cos kx + Q\sin kx##, where ##P## and ##Q## are constants containing ##A##, ##B##, and ##\cos## and ##\sin## of ##\phi_1## and ##\phi_2##. That is the same as your first solution.

Note, ##A\cos(kx + \phi)## or ##A\sin(kx + \phi)## are both general solutions (with two arbitrary constants), and those forms are sometimes nicer to use than ##A \cos kx + B \sin kx##.
 
  • Like
Likes 1 person
  • #3
193
17
Thank you AlephZero!

As a side-note then, if I wanted to rewrite the solution in terms of complex exponentials, that the solution would be

[itex]Y(x) = A \cdot e^{ikx} + A^*\cdot e^{-ikx}[/itex]

Where the constant A this time is complex.
 
  • #4
798
34
Hello,

When I have the differential equation

[tex]\frac{dY(x)}{dx} = -k^2 Y(x)[/tex]

The solution is of course harmonic oscillation, however, looking at various places I see the solution given as:

Isnt Equation 2 a more general solution than Equation 1? Or is there some reasoning (probably is) to make the phase angles go away?

Thank you.
I suppose that the equation is [tex]\frac{d^2Y(x)}{dx^2} = -k^2 Y(x)[/tex]
The two equations :
[tex]Y(x) = A cos(kx) + B sin(kx)\\
Y(x) = A cos(kx + \phi_1) + B sin(kx + \phi_2)[/tex]
are equivalent :
[tex]A cos(kx + \phi_1) + B sin(kx + \phi_2) = A' cos(kx) + B' sin(kx)\\
A' =A cos(\phi_1)+B sin(\phi_2)\\
B' =-A sin(\phi_1)+B cos(\phi_2)[/tex]
 
  • #5
AlephZero
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
7,002
294
Thank you AlephZero!

As a side-note then, if I wanted to rewrite the solution in terms of complex exponentials, that the solution would be

[itex]Y(x) = A \cdot e^{ikx} + A^*\cdot e^{-ikx}[/itex]

Where the constant A this time is complex.

There is no mathematical reason why the solution has to be real, so you could just write
[itex]Y(x) = A \cdot e^{ikx} + B\cdot e^{-ikx}[/itex]
where ##A## and ##B## are complex constants.

In this case, both the real and imaginary parts of ##Y(x)## satisfy the differential equation.
You can interpret the real part of ##Y(x)## as a physical displacement, and the real part of ##dY(x)/dx## as a physical velocity, etc.
 

Related Threads on Harmonic oscillation

  • Last Post
Replies
4
Views
9K
  • Last Post
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
7K
Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K
Top