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Has PF gone lame?

  1. Sep 16, 2012 #1
    I first would like to say I am a huge fan of this site. I have been on here for 3+ years and enjoy the content that I cannot get much anywhere else. But over time the rules and closed threads have become less open to new ideas and non-crackpot concepts. I can smell a crackpot a mile away. (i work with alot of salesmen in the machine tool industry) I look to this site when I need clarity on a concept or my thinking is on the right path. I have a good sense of the people with real knowledge on this forum and always look up to them with great respect. Has the direction of this site changed for the better in your opinion? Or what would you like to see more here? Moderators please weigh in and I ask all to be respectful in their opinions. Thanks.
     
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  3. Sep 17, 2012 #2

    berkeman

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    See more what here? Have you read the other threads here in the Feedback forum about allowing more speculation? I think we've pretty much addressed that request already multiple times.
     
  4. Sep 17, 2012 #3

    PAllen

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    It could be helpful if you provide examples of what you see as negative trend. Except in a few areas like the philosophy forum, closure of 'independent research forum', rules have been pretty static. One obvious trend from human nature is if the same dubious idea (well intentioned or not) is raised for the 50th time, patience is less than the first time.

    I do encourage that if there is a specific thread that you are convinced was mis-handled, pm a mentor. I have seen gray area threads re-opened following such a query. (Not often, but it has happened).
     
  5. Sep 17, 2012 #4
    well as a new member, i can say every interesting discussion here is locked!!!

    I didn't realise everything was locked until after i signed up. lol


    anyone know a physics forum with quality people where one can discuss more "off the wall" ideas? pm me svp

    cheers
    wolfie
    xx
     
  6. Sep 17, 2012 #5

    Evo

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    Quality and crackpottery don't go together. We do quality.

    Lots and lots of places do crackpottery, I'm sure you won't have any problems finding them.
     
  7. Sep 17, 2012 #6

    PAllen

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    Crackpottery and reasonable scientific controversy are two different things. Here is an example of a long, robust debate on in a controversial position scientifically presented:

    https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=626874

    On the other hand, a discussion of 'how could you make a wormhole, it must be possible' is not likely to last long or produce fruitful discussion.
     
  8. Sep 18, 2012 #7

    Oh... No "hello". No "welcome to the forum", no manners, no etiquette, no pleasantness.

    Manners do not cost anything and perhaps some manner from the mods might help a forum have, i dunno, just some sort of friendliness at least... no?



    As for "crackpottery" as you quaintly call it (not sure what you are referring to), i was under the impression that there is no objective reality in the quantum world, is that not correct?

    I wonder what your qualifications are for making such statements?
     
  9. Sep 18, 2012 #8
    You are welcome, but it goes both ways. You are brand new. Are you here to contribute or just to complain?
     
  10. Sep 18, 2012 #9

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    GASPS!! Are you saying this in my presence?? :grumpy:

    Don't you know that we have SPECIAL étiquette and welcoming ceremony?? :biggrin:
     
  11. Sep 18, 2012 #10
    er, no I joined, read about 6 or 8 threads in various sub-forums, all were locked, and I am now contributing to this thread (note the title) ON topic.

    I am simply offering a newcomers perspective on this topic, y'know? the sort of feedback REAL businesses welcome and find very relevant.

    Anyway you are welcome.
     
  12. Sep 18, 2012 #11

    berkeman

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    Did you read the Rules link (at the top of the page) when you joined? That's part of signing up here... If you read the Rules link, I would think that you would understand why some threads get locked.
     
  13. Sep 18, 2012 #12
    sense of humor.. well done. :)
     
  14. Sep 18, 2012 #13

    Evo

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    But you trashed the forum in a publicly viewed visitor mesage you posted yesterday. So, I'm confused about your intent.
     
  15. Sep 18, 2012 #14

    drizzle

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    I'm thinking we should start the welcome ceremony right here, what do you think guys? :tongue2:

    It's gonna be fishy. :biggrin:
     
  16. Sep 18, 2012 #15
    "trashed"? lol, oh please stop with the massive exaggeration; i wasn't "trashing" the forum, i was commenting on the quantity of locked discussions, but as YOU do alot of the locking, it is perhaps natural that you so openly display your sense of feeling under personal attack.

    So your "rules" appears to be that you will subjectively judge content based on your somewhat exaggerated sense of proportion (as shown above in your reply to me) and then lock stuff down based on that?

    Bravo, VERY "scientific"


    Perhaps the truth is that you are far too over-emotional and prone to exaggeration to moderate a science/physics forum.


    Of course i might be wrong, perhaps you CAN take personal criticism without getting all huffy? We'll see wont we in your next response.


    Anyways, time for dinner.. Sausages. yummy, the quantity of which will be inversely proportional to the empty space in my tummy.

    cheerio.
     
  17. Sep 18, 2012 #16

    Borek

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    For a random newcomer you pretend to know a lot about internal working of the forum.
     
  18. Sep 18, 2012 #17

    Evo

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    Not at all, threads are locked when they do not meet the guidelines. Apparently you like that kind of thread. That's fine, but the question remains do you have anything of merit to offer, or are you just complaining?
     
  19. Sep 18, 2012 #18

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    Welcome to the forums. The following post is said in the spirit of clearing up this issue, if at any point you feel it is a personal attack please bear in mind that this is not how it was intended.

    You seem to have a series of misunderstandings about how PF operates. This is probably due to your negligible engagement and seeming ignorance as to the rules. If PF isn't for you and you would like something with more crackpottery then you're sure to find many sites that provide that. If you want sites that allow you to develop scientific hypotheses then great, best of luck with that (though as a warning the latter tends to come hand in hand with the former).

    With regards to your welcome here...surely you see the irony of acting the way you are and then attempting to take the intellectual and etiquette high ground as it were? Looking at the replies below I don't see anything indicative of that. In fact I see someone who comes across as arrogant and ignorant; not someone who wishes to impart feedback on why they aren't particularly attracted to a service (for a start you don't even display anything that indicates that you've thought about whether or not this service is for you).

    As Greg said it works two ways. We are more than happy to welcome people to the forums, even a cursory search (especially in GD introductory threads) will show that there are a multitude of members here who are courteous and kind and really try hard to welcome new members into the community. At the same time being rude, demonstrably uninformed and acting quite childish is not something deserved of a warm welcome*.

    As I said above if this forum isn't for you and you don't want to participate then I (and others) will sincerely wish you all the best in finding somewhere more to your liking. If you have feedback on how the site can improve in meeting its stated aims then that would be welcome to. But if this is a case of getting off on the wrong foot and you genuinely do want to use this site for the reason it is intended (the teaching and discussion of mainstream science) then I'm sure we can put this behind us and start again.

    The choice now is yours.

    * If you genuinely have trouble identifying what behaviour has expressed this then please see below where I have highlighted prominent examples.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  20. Sep 18, 2012 #19

    mathwonk

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    absolutely! we have become totally lame! any other questions? i hope i have helped.
     
  21. Sep 18, 2012 #20

    lisab

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    I adore you, mathwonk :smile:.
     
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