Having a brain fart about permutations

1. Dec 13, 2004

semidevil

ok, very very simple, but I cannot for the life of me remember this.

why is (12)(13) = 132? I can't work it out...

2. Dec 13, 2004

Tide

Why? Because it's not!

P.S. I recommend BEANO for your condition. :-)

3. Dec 13, 2004

shmoe

Mmm, your permutations are applied right to left? I think Tide goes the other way, left to right...not that there's anything wrong with that of course.

If in doubt, apply your lhs and rhs permutations to 123 and see what heppens. Both sides should give the same permutation.

4. Dec 13, 2004

Tide

If you start with 3 elements, say (A, B, C) then (12) places A in the second position but (13) does not affect the element in the second position so the result must start with (12... Yes, this is "left-right" which I believe is the convention.

5. Dec 14, 2004

shmoe

I don't think it's as conventional as other conventions though. :tongue2:

All the texts I have handy work right to left, though a few mention that left to right is also common. I'd wager semidevil's going right to left since it works for his problem.

6. Dec 14, 2004

Tide

Shmoe,

I suppose some conventions are more conventional than others!

In any case, semidevil should be following the "conventions" prescribed in his class and he might inform us which one they are using if he/she expects further assistance.