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Having trouble with thermo.

  1. Jun 3, 2006 #1

    I'm stuck. Can someone help me out?

    The properties of a certain fluid are related as follows:



    (a)where 'u' is the specific internal energy(Kj kg), t is in degress Celsius, p is pressure(Kn/m2) and v is specific volume (m3 kg).For this fluid. Find Cp and Cv

    (b)A system composed of 2 kg of the above fluid expands in a frictionless piston and cylinder from an initial state of 1 Mpa, 100degrees Celsius to a final temp of 30degress Celsius.If there is no heat transfer, find the net work for the process.

    This is what i have tried:

    in (a), i tried to link the two equations together, so that i could get 'u' and 'pv' in the same equation:


    I'm stuck now.How do i proceed? i know the formula for cp and cv, which is Cp=(do)u/(do)t

    cv=(do)Q/(do)T .How do i use these formulas with respect to the above equation?

    (b)I'm totally confused on this one. I don't know where to start.All i could understand is to find the work done, and that Q=0.

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  3. Jun 9, 2006 #2

    Tom Mattson

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    Hi, sorry I haven't responded before now.

    You should have the following relations handy:

    [tex]c_v=\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial T}\right)_P[/tex]

    [tex]c_p=\left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial T}\right)_v[/tex]

    You should also know the definition of enthalpy.

    Start by writing down the first law for the system.

    [tex]Q_{NET}+W_{NET}+E_{mass,NET}=\Delta U + \Delta KE + \Delta PE[/tex]

    Now you've already noted that you can set [itex]Q_{NET}=0[/itex]. What else can you set equal to zero? And what else do you know?
  4. Jun 9, 2011 #3
    just do these things:
    for Ques a)

    after differentiating wrt to t u will get Cv=0.718 Ans

    And Cp= dh/dt=d(u+pv)/dt=du/dt+d(pv)/dt
    =d(196+0.718t)/dt + d(0.287(t+273))/dt
    Cp= 0.718 + 0.287
    Cp=1.005 Ans

    For Ques b):

    dQ=dU+dW as per first law of thermodynaimcs
    but as there is no heat transfer therefore dQ=0. So above equation becomes
    dW= - dU= - (u2-u1)= u1-u2

    at t=100 C, u1= 196+(0.718*100)
    & at t=30 C, u2= 196+ (0.718*30)

    so dW= u1-u2= 50.26 (By solving above two equations of u1 & u2)

    therefore for 2 Kg of fluid dW= 2 x 50.26 KJ = 100.52 KJ Ans
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