Understanding Heat Engines: Exploring the Second Law of Thermodynamics

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of heat engines and the second law of thermodynamics. It is explained that all the heat from a hot reservoir cannot be used to do work because it would violate the second law and create a perpetual motion machine. The change in entropy is also discussed, with the formula dS=\frac{\delta Q}{T} and how a second reservoir at a lower temperature can counteract the decrease in entropy. This would allow some heat to be left over to produce work.
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Hi,

I am trying to figure out heat engines. I don't understand why heat from a hot reservoir MUST exhaust heat into a cold reservoir. How does that satisfy the second law of thermodynamics? Why can't all energy from the hot reservoir be used to do work?

Thanks
 
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If all the heat from the hot reservoir is used to produce work and that work is used to run a heat pump that pumps heat from a cold reservoir back to the hot reservoir the hot reservoir gets even hotter and you created a perpetual motion machine of the second kind which is forbidden by the second law of thermodynamics.
 
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Thanks :) Can you explain why putting all the energy from the hot reservoir to work would cause entropy of the system to decrease?
 
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Coop said:
Thanks :) Can you explain why putting all the energy from the hot reservoir to work would cause entropy of the system to decrease?

The formula for the change in entropy is [itex]dS=\frac{\delta Q}{T}[/itex], where [itex]\delta Q[/itex] is the heat lost and is negative while [itex]T[/itex] is the temperature and is positive. Clearly [itex]dS[/itex] is negative representing a decrease of entropy forbidden by the 2nd. If some of the heat goes to a second reservoir at lower temperature than there is a second term in the expression for the entropy. [itex]dS=\frac{\delta Q_1}{T}_1 + \frac{\delta Q_2}{T}_2[/itex], [itex]\delta Q_1[/itex] is the heat lost at the higher temperature reservoir [itex]T_1[/itex] and is still negative, but [itex]\delta Q_2[/itex] is the heat gained at the lower temperature reservoir [itex]T_2[/itex] and is positive. Since [itex]T_2[/itex] is smaller than [itex]T_1[/itex] the second term can counter the first leading to a positive increase of entropy and there will be some heat (but not all) left over to produce work.
 
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dauto said:
The formula for the change in entropy is [itex]dS=\frac{\delta Q}{T}[/itex], where [itex]\delta Q[/itex] is the heat lost and is negative while [itex]T[/itex] is the temperature and is positive. Clearly [itex]dS[/itex] is negative representing a decrease of entropy forbidden by the 2nd. If some of the heat goes to a second reservoir at lower temperature than there is a second term in the expression for the entropy. [itex]dS=\frac{\delta Q_1}{T}_1 + \frac{\delta Q_2}{T}_2[/itex], [itex]\delta Q_1[/itex] is the heat lost at the higher temperature reservoir [itex]T_1[/itex] and is still negative, but [itex]\delta Q_2[/itex] is the heat gained at the lower temperature reservoir [itex]T_2[/itex] and is positive. Since [itex]T_2[/itex] is smaller than [itex]T_1[/itex] the second term can counter the first leading to a positive increase of entropy and there will be some heat (but not all) left over to produce work.

Thank you :)
 

1. What is a heat engine?

A heat engine is a device that converts heat energy into mechanical work. It typically consists of a heat source, a working fluid, and a heat sink. The working fluid absorbs heat from the heat source, expands and does work, and then releases waste heat to the heat sink. This process is known as the thermodynamic cycle.

2. What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that in any thermodynamic process, the total entropy of a closed system will never decrease. This means that energy will always flow from a higher temperature to a lower temperature, and some energy will be lost as waste heat in the process.

3. How do heat engines relate to the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

Heat engines demonstrate the Second Law of Thermodynamics by converting heat energy into mechanical work. This process inevitably results in some energy being lost as waste heat, which increases the overall entropy of the system. Thus, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental principle that governs the operation of heat engines.

4. What are some examples of heat engines?

Some common examples of heat engines include steam engines, gas turbines, and car engines. These devices all use the thermodynamic cycle to convert heat energy into mechanical work. Other examples include refrigerators, air conditioners, and power plants.

5. How can we improve the efficiency of heat engines?

One way to improve the efficiency of heat engines is by reducing the amount of waste heat released to the environment. This can be achieved by using insulating materials, optimizing the design of the engine, and using high-quality fuels. Another approach is to use the waste heat as a source of energy for other processes, known as cogeneration. Additionally, advancements in technology and research can also lead to more efficient heat engines.

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