# Heat transfer question

1. May 29, 2015

### CannonSLX

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

1litre of water is heated by an electric burner which couples 500W into the water. How long will it take to raise the temperature of the water to boiling point?

How much longer will it take for the water to evaporate?

2. Relevant equations
Δu=mCΔT, where

3. The attempt at a solution

To complete this question, don't I need to know the latent heat capacity of water ?
I understand that I can calculate the time as Δu=mCΔT, where Δu= (500x(t)) J and rearrange to solve for t, but am I missing a variable or is there another way to solve this ?

Thanks for your time :)

2. May 29, 2015

### Simon Bridge

What has to happen for latent heat to be important?
When does that happen in the question?
Therefore: when do you need the latent heat equation?

Can you identify the missing variable?

3. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

So I dont need the latent heat value, and so the equation I have listed is not the one to use ?

4. May 30, 2015

### haruspex

Simon didn't say you don't need it. There are two parts to the question. Can you do the first part, or do you think there is something missing for that, and if so what? At what stage do you think you need the latent heat value?

5. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

I'd need the latent heat value to find the how much water will evaporate, so for the first part, would is the missing variable the temperature ?

6. May 30, 2015

### haruspex

Right on both counts. So you cannot proceed with the first part without more information, but you can look up the latent heat of evaporation and do the second part.

7. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

How would I work out the temperature difference ?
And could I not then calculate the latent heat of vaporisation once I have the temperature ?

8. May 30, 2015

### haruspex

I don't understand the first question. As I wrote, you cannot work out the temperature difference if you are not told the start temperature, so you cannot do the first part.
For the second part you do not need to know the starting temperature of the water. You are considering the water having reached boiling point and only need to work out how much energy is required to vaporise it.
The latent heat of vaporisation of water is a constant; look it up.

9. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

Oh I see. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
Thanks for explaining :)

10. May 30, 2015

### insightful

When not given data, it is usually reasonable to assume an obvious choice (clearly stated). In this case, room temperature (say, 22degC) is a defensible choice.

11. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

So to workout the time needed to raise the temperature to boiling (100 Deg'C) if I assume initial temp is 22 Deg'C, ΔT = 78K.
And I know the power input is (500Wxt). Is there a particular equation I can use to solve ?

12. May 30, 2015

### insightful

Your Relevant equation in your first post is all you need for this part. Be careful with unit conversions. Check and double-check each step.

13. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

So Δu=mCΔT and given C=336 [Latent heat of fusion] (apologies for no units, using my phone makes it tedious to type)
(500w x t) = 1 x 336 x 78 ? and then I just solve for t ?

Then to find how much long it will take to evaporate, would I use the Latent heat of vaporisation value in the same equation ?

14. May 30, 2015

### insightful

"Fusion" means "melting." C is heat capacity. Please be more diligent in these critical, basic details.

15. May 30, 2015

### CannonSLX

So part one of the question uses specific heat capacity and part two uses latent heat of vaporisation ?

16. May 30, 2015

### Simon Bridge

... this is something you can answer yourself by looking up the definitions of these terms.

Specific heat capacity is the amount of work heat needed to change the temperature of 1 unit mass of stuff by one unit of temperature.
Latent heat is the amount of heat needed to change the state of 1 unit mass of stuff without a change in temperature.
Now you tell me: which one do you need for the equation where the state does not change but the temperature does?

If you didn't know these definitions already - then you have a serious problem: go back over your text and course notes and revise.

17. May 31, 2015

### CannonSLX

ΔQ=mL ?

18. May 31, 2015

### insightful

Assuming L is the latent heat of vaporization, yes (for the second part of the problem).

19. May 31, 2015

### CannonSLX

So ΔQ= 500w x t = mL and just solve for t ?

20. May 31, 2015

Yes.