Help finding an angle please?

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help finding an angle please!?!

Homework Statement


Two highways intersect as shown in Fig. 4-46. At the instant shown, a police car P is distance dP = 700 m from the intersection and moving at speed vP = 70 km/h. Motorist M is distance dM = 510 m from the intersection and moving at speed vM = 51 km/h. What are the (a)x-component and (b)y-component of the velocity (both in km/h) of the motorist with respect to the police car? (c) For the instant shown in Fig. 4-46, what is the angle between the velocity found in (a) and (b) and the line of sight between the two cars?

(I can't put up picture but the intersection is on the origin. The police car is driving in the -x direction along the x axis. The other car is driving down the y axis.)



Homework Equations


Vx=Vcos(/)
Vy=Vsin(/)
V-> = (Vx)i + (Vy)j
V = (Vx^2 = vy^2)^1/2
(/) = tan^-1 (Vy/Vx)



The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I got the first part of the problem right.
Vx=70km/hr
Vy=-51 km/h
I get that these are the components b/c the cars are driving along the axes. But at first I thought that both components would be negative. Why is the x component positive when the police car is driving in the -x direction? Why is the y component negative if the x component is positive?

the last part gets weird... I have both of the components and I am looking for the angle. I plug them into the equation:
(/) = tan^-1 (-51/70)
and I get -36.1 degrees.
I realize this negative angle is not in the right quadrant. But if I wanted the angle between the x axis and the line of sight between the two cars wouldn't that just be positive 36.1 b/c it would be a complementary angle to the one I found with the equation? This was wrong. I also tried adding 180 degrees in case it wanted the other angle with respect to the positive x axis but 144 was also not right. How do I find the angle?


edit: I am not getting any replies. Have I asked my question wrong? Is there something I should have done differently? Did I not show enough work?
 
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The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I got the first part of the problem right.
Vx=70km/hr
Vy=-51 km/h
I get that these are the components b/c the cars are driving along the axes. But at first I thought that both components would be negative. Why is the x component positive when the police car is driving in the -x direction? Why is the y component negative if the x component is positive?
If I understand your description properly, the police car moves at Vx=-70 mph, and the motorist moves at Vy=-51 km/h. The question asks for the relative velocity of the motorist with respect to the police car. That would be
Vmotorist, w.r.t. police = Vmotorist - Vpolice
Does that help?
the last part gets weird... I have both of the components and I am looking for the angle. I plug them into the equation:
(/) = tan^-1 (-51/70)
and I get -36.1 degrees.
Yes, I agree.
I realize this negative angle is not in the right quadrant. But if I wanted the angle between the x axis and the line of sight between the two cars wouldn't that just be positive 36.1 b/c it would be a complementary angle to the one I found with the equation? This was wrong.
It's my understanding the the police car is north of the intersection, and the motorist is east of the intersection. Is that correct? Draw a figure showing that, and draw a line connecting the two cars (this is the line-of-sight). What angle does that line make with respect to the x-axis?
 
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It's my understanding the the police car is north of the intersection, and the motorist is east of the intersection. Is that correct? Draw a figure showing that, and draw a line connecting the two cars (this is the line-of-sight). What angle does that line make with respect to the x-axis?

Here is a link to the picture from the problem:
http://gold3nlily.shutterfly.com/pictures/16

The police car is the one that is east of the intersection and the other car is north.

Here Is a picture I drew:
http://gold3nlily.shutterfly.com/pictures/14

I think the pink angle is the one I am looking for and the green angle is the one that the equation gave me. They should be positive 36.1 and negative 36.1 respectively. But this answer was wrong. I must have something wrong. Did I draw the angle correctly? Why didn't the equation tan^-1(y/x) work?

Thank you for your help! I really appreciate it. You are explaining very clearly.
 
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The question is asking you to find the angle between the velocity and the line of sight. If you solve both triangles you'll find the angle is the same:

tan ^-1 (distance y/ distance x) = tan ^-1 (Vy/Vx)

so, the angle between the two is:

tan ^-1 (distance y/ distance x) - tan ^-1 (Vy/Vx) = 0
 

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