# Help needed with an elliptic PDE

1. Nov 2, 2007

### maverick280857

Hello

In our math course, we encountered the following elliptic PDE:

$$y^{2}u_{xx} + u_{yy} = 0$$

In order to solve it, we converted it to the characteristic equation,

$$y^{2}\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2} + 1 = 0$$

Next, we wrote:

$$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{i}{y}$$

My question is: the characteristic equation has no solution in $\mathbb{R}$ but we went ahead and mechanically wrote the expression for $dy/dx$. Does this mean that we should regard $x$ and $y$ as complex variables? If so, how does one reconcile with the fact that some solution to the PDE as $u(x,y) = c$ is a surface in $(x,y,u)$ space? Perhaps this is a trivial question, but I'm just starting to learn PDEs. Does this also mean that we should not ascribe a physical significance to x and y as coordinates in $\mathbb{R}^2$?

Thanks.

2. Nov 2, 2007

### HallsofIvy

Staff Emeritus
Yes, the fact that it is an elliptic equation tells you that the characteristic equation does not have real roots.

3. Nov 2, 2007

### maverick280857

Oops yes, of course...I didn't see that.

Also, in such a case, do y and x lose their "physical significance" of being real variables in real space?

4. Nov 3, 2007

### arildno

Mmm..no, it means that the characteristic curve itself doesn't lie in real space.
That's quite a different thing from saying that x and y cannot be regarded as real variables.

5. Nov 4, 2007

6. Nov 4, 2007

### arildno

Well, my memory on characteristics has gone hazy, so it would be helpful if you posted the precise procedure utilized in the particular example.

However, as a general trait, the method of characteristics is a trick whereby we get a family of curves along everyone of which the u-signal propagates in a simple manner (say, by being conserved).

If therefore that family of curves lie in the complex plane, it means that there aren't a set of real curves y(x) along which u propagates. For example, y cannot be solved entirely as a function of x when we constrict ourselves to the real plane.

7. Nov 21, 2007

### maverick280857

Ok, so the elliptic equation is

$$au_{xx} + 2bu_{xy} + cu_{yy} = 0$$

and its characteristic equation is

$$a\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^{2} -2b\frac{dy}{dx} + c = 0$$

Here, $b^{2}-ac <0$ so it has complex roots, and the characteristic curves are:

$$\zeta(x,y) = c_{1}$$
$$\eta(x,y) = c_{2}$$