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Hey, any of you guys know about remote viewing?

  1. May 12, 2003 #1
    My mom told me before that apparently when I was like 5 years old I had some sort of ability to tell where my relatives were and what they were doing even though they were dozens or hundreds of miles away, so a few months ago I tried to find out if there was any reasonable information on it, but my search was fruitless

    Well, maybe "fruitless" is inappropriate.. it turned up plenty of fruits, but no hard evidence or even reasonable conjecture

    I came across this website/forum where a bunch of morons and charlatans talk about how they can view any place or time, and are willing to sell you $400 worth of tapes, but never accept any $10,000+ rewards to do it since "it takes a whole hour and we probably wouldn't get the money anyway"

    Yeah right. There is no damn way that some hippy's time isn't worth $500 an hour. Absolutely no way, period.

    So anyway, I was thinking that there might be something to that remote viewing junk if:
    - It's tricky to do
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    - It's only possible for a tiny percentage of the population to do it

    If only one in a billion, or even a million people could do remote viewing, what are the chances that even if one of them figured out how, it'd be well-documented and find its way to someone else who had the raw ability? It's only been a few years since we've had this excellent global communications network, so maybe there's some small site out there where someone thinks he might have some talent, and carefully documented everything he knows

    I'm a Junior in college pursuing an engineering degree, so I figure that if there's only a few thousand people who might be able to do some sort of psychic stuff, it'd be a boon that I'd be one of them, since I have a pretty good concept of the scientific method

    Unfortunately, I've had a lot of times where I have to wait fifteen minutes or more for some reason or another, and I've tried to do some sort of remote viewing, but it hasn't happened yet. I don't have much in the way of meditation skillz, though, and it's entirely possible that if remote viewing is a reality, I just haven't stumbled across the trick yet

    It's also all-too possible that all the instances my mother mentioned can be explained by the even more impressive mental power innate to all humans: the ability to remember and reason things out

    I might have heard this or that about relatives doing things, and any time my mom inquired as to the location of my dad when he was working late in bad weather, I'd just say he was fine to reassure her

    I can't remember anything crystal-clearly from before I was like 10 years old, but as I vaguely recall, I had some thinking capacity even when I was moving from bottles to cups for drinking, so if no information on this psychic stuff ever turns up, it's possible that there're no real loose ends
     
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  3. May 13, 2003 #2
    Well there is a theory that our brains evolved in such a way as to simulate the world around us and this is what we experience as consciousness. If this is true who knows how good our brains are at simulating the real world.
     
  4. May 13, 2003 #3
    Yes, we are watching you right now!


    Repeatedly, I have seen years go by, then comes a call from a loved one who 'felt' that something bad had happened to me. Most curiously, they were always correct.

    Go figure
     
  5. May 13, 2003 #4
    I had a strange experience in my teens where I saw a coin in the gutter in the next street and low and behold it was really there a whole pound :)

    As far as I can tell this was real but I was on my own at the time :/
     
  6. May 13, 2003 #5

    Ivan Seeking

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    I forget the number, but I think that more than half of all people believe they have experienced some sort of phenomenon like the one your mother describes. I also know mothers that claim many things about their children. I was shocked when my always skeptical sister started paying a psychic when told that her daughter is a star-child. WHAT…cough and gasp… SAY WHAT? Beware the tales of mothers.

    That aside, I have seen demonstrations of remote viewing that are either real or faked; but nothing in between. I have seen one demonstration that appeared to be well controlled, but considering that it was on TV, one can hardly assign much confidence. Many of the people involved in “teaching” this “skill” claim to be ex-CIA. I have never bothered to check on these guys yet.

    If you want some useful information about his sort of stuff, check on the history of psychics working with police departments. Public records show that psychics have solved crimes, found missing victims, and have provided information that enabled an arrest. The law enforcement people involved in these cases will often swear to the reality of this phenomenon. I am aware of cases in which it seems that either the “psychic” was psychic, or the police are lying and the records were falsified. You choose.

    In one murder case the psychic was arrested and charged with the crime. She had "seen" the location of and had taken the police to the victims body. It was only after the police had ruled out any possible connection that she was freed. The muderer was convicted and the case closed.
     
  7. May 13, 2003 #6

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    Watch our for unconscious memories in these kinds of events. Could you have seen the coin before but not really noticed?
     
  8. May 13, 2003 #7

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    I saw a special on the History Channel documenting the U.S. government's program to use remote viewing for military intelligence. I also found this link . Apparently, the government found the idea plausible enough to spend millions of dollars on it. Of course, since they were my dollars, that probably isn't saying much!
     
  9. May 13, 2003 #8
    Yes this is possible.
     
  10. May 15, 2003 #9
    ha ha ha, yeah, I remember hearing about that government program

    blech

    Either it didn't work, or it did and the US can spy on people with it..

    So you guys don't have any other helpful info, eh?

    Ah, well.. I was hoping I'd come across some nut who claims to be able to see distant things under some circumstances, and would shower me with how he or she does it

    Well, some day I'll be able to just go "Hey, Google2, what do you know about the psychic phenomenon known as Remote Viewing?" and maybe something will turn up then

    Or, maybe remote viewing is just a load of nonsense that's well-known because people want to believe in it..

    I know I wouldn't bother if it were something lame, like a suspected psychic power to provoke flatulence

    .. Well, actually, that'd be pretty cool..
     
  11. May 16, 2003 #10

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    The US program was an imitation of the Soviet program. Now I don't believe the Soviet program could have worked, or why with that magical aid would the USSR have collapsed the way it did?

    On the other hand the US program could still be going on -- top secret of course -- and have you noticed we've won our last three wars each one easier than the last one? They say it's because our generals are so smart. But that's crazy! Must be remote viewing.
     
  12. May 16, 2003 #11

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    Well, this is youpr lucky day! I am that very same individual you seek. I can, under certain conditions, see things occuring at distant parts of the world...

    Oh wait, you probably didn't want to include TV in this, did you?
     
  13. May 16, 2003 #12
    Tell me more about this "TV"

    Is it some sort of device that helps you clear out your mind and achieve a state of meditation?
     
  14. May 23, 2003 #13
    KillaMariclls I will say KillaMaricll that Remoteviewing is possable. Been there done that plenty of times. As for proof, no that I don't have. For those that don't think it's possable. Consider that we as humans are just begining to understand the mind and how powerful it actually is. We have very little knowledge of the unconsicious mind and how it works yet some people think that we know it all. Don't dircard something you have never tried or are unwilling to try. Are there alot of hoaxes out there,yes. The goverments around the world wouldn't put so much money into a progam that didn't produce results.
     
  15. May 24, 2003 #14

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    Lol. Don't be so sure... I can see a lot of examples...
     
  16. May 24, 2003 #15

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    Ya! I make a good living this way. :wink:
     
  17. May 25, 2003 #16

    Your unconscious mind might have noticed someone talking about it, and played this back to your conscious mind via a vision.

    Was the vision very accurate?
     
  18. May 25, 2003 #17

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    Huh? Sorry plus I lost you. Do you mean that the "psychic" involved in the murder investigation?
     
  19. May 26, 2003 #18
    Yes, or any other similar situation.

    It could have been possible that the brain knew something was true, but hadn't consciously noticed it.

    e.g. I never usually think that I have legs, but they are there, and if I make the effort to think about it, I notice that I did actually realise that they were there.
     
  20. May 26, 2003 #19

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    Ah. First I would say yes, this is always possible. In the case of the murder investigation, according to the police records, the woman [an upper middle class housewife] first went to the police claiming to have recurring visions of a murder victim, and that she had specific information about the surroundings at the scene. After a bit of discussion she was politely sent away. The woman claimed that the visions persisted, so one day she drove around, following her insticts, and looking for things familiar from the visions. With her three kids in the car, she ended up driving along a remote canyon road in the hills north of Los Angeles.

    At one point things looked very familiar and she stopped the car. A body was indeed behind some boulders along the roadside. She went immediately to the police station and led the cops to the body. She was then arrested. According to the police, extensive investigation eventually solved the case. It was shown that the woman could not have had prior knowledge of the murder and she was completely cleared. If she had found the body previously, why would she lie and then go directly to the police? So I can imagine no reason why she would be innocent and still lie. Next, considering the remote location of the body, she could not have happened onto the body previously and not realized it. Since the location was remote and without uniquely identifying characteristics, it seems impossible that she could have overheard something. Since the murder was committed by someone with whom she had no connection, the woman wouldn't seem to be protecting anyone. So, according to the records normal explanations are lacking. This at least appears to be the truth of the matter. :smile:
     
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  21. May 26, 2003 #20
    Hey Ivan I've heard of that case a long time ago. There is a few differences though. This women had repeated dreams of the victim. I had only one, but one was enough. When those dreams happen they stand out like a sore thumb, you remember everthing. One thing I have noticed is that it's usally happens within a 48hr period, the dream then the event. Why I have no idea. It may because of so many things happen in a 48 hr time frame. After 48hrs mind might get bored with it and place it as a second thought. And you will forget it, till it happens. Within the 48hrs it's still fresh in your mind and forfront. As for guess on some of these events. So maybe not all to many details. The one I mentioned, I saw the same clothes, same jewerly, same hair cut. Even where she was stabbed, Too many details to even try guessing. This was just one event, I've seen hundreds all differents things. Well gentalmen have a good night.
     
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