# Higgs Boson = Graviton ?

1. Jul 29, 2009

### cpmpal

Hello there.

I have a question, or better yet, a proposition on the higgs boson/graviton: would it be possible for these to be one in the same? What I mean by this is that under the assumption that higgs boson does exist (which I agree with) that gravity is then propagated from the boson.

I understand that basically the higgs boson drags through the higgs field accumulating mass by doing so, and that this mass is then imparted to the other particles by way of collisions; therefore, it's spin must be also zero to be able to collide.

My thoughts then lead to believe that its possible that in a manner similar to an electron propagating a magnetic field perpendicular to the electrical field, so that the higgs field exists like the electrical field and gravity is simply a perpendicular movement of mass

In summary the relationship between electricity and magnetism is the same as the relationship between mass and gravity

I apologize for not having any sort of mathematical proof to backup my theory but I am still a high school student, and currently can grasp the concepts of the standard model but the math behind it is still a little out of league. Thank You! (Sorry to ask a question as my first participation in the forum)

2. Jul 29, 2009

### Cyosis

The graviton, if it exists, is a spin-2 massless particle.
The Higgs boson, if it exists, is a spin-0 particle with a mass.

I don't see how these two could be the same.

3. Jul 29, 2009

### Bob_for_short

In addition, the Higgs boson is expected to be heavy, and gravitons are thought to be massless.

4. Jul 29, 2009

### cpmpal

I'm saying hypothetically that the graviton doesn't exist, but the higgs boson exists under its already proven conditions with another condition that it propogates gravity.

5. Jul 29, 2009

### humanino

If the Higgs boson had anything to do with gravity, it would be pretty remote. You need to go into additional dimensions, where you can find a "natural" explanation for the weakness of gravity, and where possibly the different chiralities (coupled through the Higgs boson in the SM) leave on different sheets (or branes in string models). Unfortunately, if you really insist into going there, those models often realize Higgless spontaneous electroweak symmetry breaking ! So I'm not saying there is no way any link can exist in principle, all I'm saying is that this is not a promising avenue despite weak analogies.

6. Aug 1, 2009

### Abbas Sherif

You're right Bob. The Bosons being massive means their interaction is short ranged. The graviton on the contrary acts over a long distance since they have no mass. Spin infact is different so I just don't see how we aregoing to be able to relate the two.