# Homework Help: Homogenity physics homework

1. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

1. So for today's exam, I was given this equation, and I was required to get the value and units of K:

T4 = (4K∏4)/g2 - (8d∏4)/g2

I had to follow an experiment, plot the results, get the gradient. After getting the value of g, I was required to find the value of K, and its units.

T4 has units s4, d has units m, g is gravitational acceleration, hence I believe it is m.s-2

2. The problem lies in the fact that I don't believe I was given a homogeneous equation, hence I couldn't provide the units. Any help? Note that the units are enough for me, I managed to solve for K (correctly, I believe).

2. Sep 7, 2013

### Enigman

You can only add or subtract things with same units.

3. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

So you confirm the equation is not homogeneous?

4. Sep 7, 2013

### Enigman

I neither confirm nor deny, I merely point out the obvious. What then is ∏? Or did you mean $\pi$?

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5. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

Well, after working it out, the left side is this: T4 has units s4.

For the K part, I can't work it out without knowing whether it's homogeneous or not. So I go where there's d.

(8d∏4)/g2 would then become:
Numerator: m
Denominator: m2.s-4

Therefore this part would be s4.m-1

For homogeneity with addition/subtraction, all parts have to be the same. These two parts aren't the same, evidently. Any confirmation would be very much appreciated, so I could e-mail my invigilators.

6. Sep 7, 2013

### Enigman

What is the experiment?

7. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

That should be a pi :) I couldn't find the symbol :P

8. Sep 7, 2013

### Enigman

Nope, it doesn't look homogenous. What's the Experiment?
You sure d is in meters and not m^2 ?

9. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

The experiment isn't very important per-se, but for the record, there are two stand clamps, with a wire attached to both, forming a triangle. At the bottom, there's a pendulum, and d is the distance between the two stands. So yeah, definitely in meters. It's also given, but because of copyright issues, I'm afraid I'm not allowed to take a picture of it and upload it.

10. Sep 7, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

Could be a typo in the given equation; I suspect that the 'd' in the second term should have been $d^2$.

Even if the second term has a typo, the terms should individually have the same units as the LHS of the equation. So you can still determine what k should be and even repair the typo!

11. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

While I did as you said, gneill, I couldn't ascertain which was the right one - the 'd' part or the LHS.

12. Sep 7, 2013

### Staff: Mentor

I think you can be pretty certain the LHS would consist of a single variable, and that as missed typos go, dropping a square on a variable in the midst of a term is more likely than dropping a variable on the LHS.

13. Sep 7, 2013

### Enigman

Well, I haven't got the derivation of the formula yet but with off-hand information the formula's probably wrong. When you put d=0 the bifilar pendulum becomes a simple pendulum the formula should be reduced to a simple one.
Making $$k= 4 l^2$$ from the standard formula of time period. Formula's probably missing a square factor on d, will confirm it and let you know.
Whoops gneil got there before me....

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14. Sep 7, 2013

### MemoNick

Thanks a lot for your help :) I really appreciate it!