Homopolar, Brushless and Brushed DC Motors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence and characteristics of various types of DC motors, specifically focusing on homopolar, brushless, and brushed DC motors. Participants explore the requirements for commutation, the role of PWM, and the potential for motors that do not utilize these mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a DC motor can exist without PWM, commutators, or slip contacts, and speculates on the demand for such a motor.
  • Another participant explains that brushless DC motors are essentially AC motors with an inverter and mentions linear motors as an alternative that does not rotate.
  • A participant challenges the initial query by asking for clarification on the rejection of commutation and questions the definition of PWM in relation to electrical commutation.
  • Another participant argues that linear electric motors like solenoids do not require commutation or brushes, emphasizing that commutation is necessary for continuous rotation.
  • One participant shares a resource on homopolar motors and expresses skepticism about the development of new technologies in this area.
  • Another participant notes that brushless motors are typically driven by electronic circuits, suggesting a complexity in their operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of commutation and brushes in DC motors, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of a motor that operates without these components. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential demand for such a motor.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the definitions of terms like PWM and commutation, as well as the challenges associated with DC motors, such as insulation and switch costs due to arcing.

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I've seen examples of each of these types of dc motors. What I haven't found is a dc motor that doesn't use pwm, commutators/brushes, or some sort of slip contact. Is there a such thing? If not, would there be a demand for such a motor?
 
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There exist "Brushless DC motors" that are really AC motors with a DC to AC inverter inside the case. Take apart an old VCR or computer disk drive to see one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brushless_DC_electric_motor

There also exist "Linear motors" , but they don't rotate just give some amount of linear motion.
https://www.machinedesign.com/motion-control/what-voice-coil-actuator
PC disk drives use one to position the heads.
Take one apart - the actuator magnet works fantastic for holding a calendar to your fridge.

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Bottom line is you can't make a coil in a field rotate more than a half turn without reversing current, which we call commutation.
You've already named the three ways to achieve that.
from http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/motdc.html
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Samson4 said:
... a dc motor that doesn't use pwm, commutators...
I'm not sure what you mean here? No brushes makes sense, but what have you got against commutation? Is electrical commutation acceptable?
If so, how do you define PWM, since electrical commutation requires switching current to coils very similar to PWM?

Since you've seen brushless DC motors, what is it about them that doesn't meet your requirements?
 
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Samson4 said:
What I haven't found is a dc motor that doesn't use pwm, commutators/brushes, or some sort of slip contact.
You are ignoring linear electric motors such as solenoids that need no ancillaries.
The need for commutation and brushes comes from the continuous rotation requirement.

Even if you had a magical DC rotating motor, you would efficiently control the speed and direction through PWM of the DC supply to the motor.

DC is a real problem. Insulation and switches cost more because DC arcs do not self extinguish.
Three phase AC is significantly more adaptable to industry as the voltage can be easily transformed.
 
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If you are interested in homopolar motors, you might find it interesting to wade through following - albeit a little dated.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a436704.pdf

Most searches using "homopolar motor" just bring up various toy motors. There's also a company called Guina Energy Research supposedly developing new forms of hp motors. But having watched them for a while I'm really not sure whether the technology is going anywhere or not!
 
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Brushless motors are usually driven by an electronic circuit:
article-2013march-introduction-to-brushless-dc-fig3.jpg

(copied from https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2013/mar/an-introduction-to-brushless-dc-motor-control).
 

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