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News Hostage beheaded says Arab TV

  1. Jun 18, 2004 #1

    jimmy p

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    Have a gander at this

    from one of the banner headlines from www.wanadoo.co.uk[/URL]
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  3. Jun 18, 2004 #2


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    Anyone surprised?
  4. Jun 18, 2004 #3
    Not I. I feel for the guy's family, but I am glad that we didn't give in to the terrorists.
  5. Jun 18, 2004 #4
    I believe he was wearing an orange jumpsuit - CIA on this one as well?
  6. Jun 18, 2004 #5

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    Yeah I saw that too. Has it been confirmed yet though?
  7. Jun 18, 2004 #6
    yes, and they killed the leader of the group that got the contractor.
  8. Jun 19, 2004 #7
    I saw civilian clothing, rather than an orange jumpsuit.
  9. Jun 19, 2004 #8
    Orange jumpsuit:

    http://www.reuters.com/newsGalaxyPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5462082&index=0 [Broken]

    i'm gonna go along with it being orange coveralls, and also say that is most likely what Berg was dressed in as well.
    CIA was involved with neither.
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  10. Jun 20, 2004 #9
    Ah ok. The picture I saw must have been earlier.
  11. Jun 20, 2004 #10
    Why are they doing this? Isn't it dead obvious that the military forces in Iraq aren't going to pull out? Capturing and killing innocent people, while video taping it is just going to motivate the US and other Countries to stay in Iraq and fight.

    All they are doing is demonstrating more terrorism to the world.

    Giving in as in what? Negotiating?

    Their demands don't make much sense, so there is little the US can do.
  12. Jun 21, 2004 #11
    I think you may find that the groups doing this are packs of young males with no connections to any large organisation, and with absolutely no sense.
  13. Jun 22, 2004 #12
    The video gives a choice, which is a ridiculous one for fairly intelligent people; release some prisoners, or we kill him.
    But for less intelligent people the choice might not seem so ridiculous and some might even blame the Americans for not taking the easy way; giving in to the terrorists demands.
    As for people who are opposed to this war, for many of them the responsibility for the beheading will slide towards the American side.

    The video manipulates the weak minded, an attempt to divide us just like the truce offer from Al quada to the european countries and countless other reasons they give for their actions. Their videos are filled with tricks and ploys for the subconsciousness, and they are very succesful.
  14. Jun 22, 2004 #13
    How are they successful? The usually have the opposite effect they want. They want us out, behead a south korean and now south korea is sending 3,000 more troops. How stupid are these terrorists!?
  15. Jun 22, 2004 #14
    Stupid enough to think that sending the US video tapes of malnutritioned soldiers, climbing on monkey bars will scare them.

    Has Bush or any Korean political leader discussed this event to the public?

    All they need to do is catch one of these guys (which is harder than it sounds) and put a scare into those cowards. Or address them, and let them know that doing this cowardly stuff isn't going to help them and if it continues, more troops will be sent.

    I think they sent the troops prior to this event, which is why they captured a south Korean.

    These cowards won't even show their faces on Video. If they want to fight a war, dress like soldiers and fight. Don't hide behind civilians and attack from behind.

    That's absolutely sick.
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  16. Jun 22, 2004 #15
    http://news.google.com/url?ntc=0M0A6&q=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3830843.stm [Broken]

    …and one other thing – don’t let the name al-Zarqawi escape your notice. He is the same ghoul that murdered a Jordanian, beheaded Nick Berg, and wrote an intercepted letter to bin-Laden outlining his plans for terrorism in Iraq.

    The al-Zarqwai letter ---

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  17. Jun 22, 2004 #16


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    That depends on the goal, Greg. Obviously, if the goal is to get us out of the Middle East, their actions have had the exact opposite result to what they intend. In that case, yes, they are stupid.

    But if the goal is spreading fear, or worse, simply murdering as many people as possible in as public a way as possible (a manifestation of hatred with no larger goal) then they have been quite successful.
    Supposedly, the Saudi's did find and kill that last bunch.
    This kinda takes you back to Greg's point. Stupid or not, they are historically, pretty slow learners. They did however, learn in the 80s (for example) that the typical airline hijacking is a good way to die without accomplishing anything and so airline hijackings (with the noteable exception of 9/11) have become quite rare.
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  18. Jun 22, 2004 #17


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    Extremists need oppression. If they are not getting enough, they need to provoke more. Without oppression you don't get as many extremists. They are not trying to get us to leave. They are trying to provoke us into atrocities. If we go on a rampage of killing and "forceful interrogations", we might catch one or two or ten of the people responsible, and create ten or twenty or a hundred willing to take their place. The extremists are concerned that they might soon lose their biggest recruiting tool, the presence of US troops.

    There are two ways to successfully defeat extremists. One is to devolve into completely depraved horror, and the other is to successfully co-opt the general populous against them. We don't seem willing to do either.

  19. Jun 22, 2004 #18
    This man almost certainly experienced the most extreme mental anguish – knowing his fate days before --

    Linked is a frame from the video just before the beheading.

    http://www.reuters.com/newsGalaxyPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5485177&index=0 [Broken]
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  20. Jun 22, 2004 #19
    Im not talking about the effect it has on governments. They send more troops, but look what their population thinks of it. They demonstrate and thousands are begging their government to give in to the terrorists demands. Then there are millions watching it on tv. Undoubtedly many of them will be furious that their government doesnt, and will be even more furious when the guy is beheaded.

    Even we cant agree that terrorists should be battled becuz we wanna change subject to America! The most some of us can get over their lips is denying they agree with terrorists, and then reminding others that a beheading is nothing compared to Abu Ghraib :confused:
    Notice that in this thread some ppl just dont comment on the beheading. They have nothing to contribute and are in the illusion that we all know they find this terror act disgusting. But you dont fight terrorism by being silent! You do exactly the opposite when you say nothing about terrorism and only about America.
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  21. Jun 22, 2004 #20
    I'd hate to believe there are hundreds willing to take the place of those cowardly bastards.

    Hopefully, the population realizeds you just can't "pull back" 3000 troops and hope that the terriorists, who obviously can't be trusted, will follow through with the bargain.

    According to some news anaylysts on CNN, they are trying to draw attention to themselves.

    However, their faces are masks. A lot of extremists don't care about the consequences of their actions and will willingly admit that they did something terrible.

    So, these guys aren't getting famous since their faces are always covered. It's also extremely cowardly, as they are already safe inside a building attacking an unarmed man - yet they still have to cover their faces?

    That's about as cowardly as someon can get.
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