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  1. May 24, 2006 #1
    There are "Low Price" Editions and "International" Editions of textbooks that are equivalent to the editions printed in the US, except that they are much CHEAPER in every sense of the word. I would like to ask if anyone knows where I can find a listing of these books and possibly purchase them on the internet.

    I live in Canada and I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars in textbooks for next year. If I can save money by buying a B&W, cheap paper, softcover international edition of the textbooks I need I can save tons of money but I don't know where I can find a store that sells them.

    I have come across two international edition books I need on Ebay and I only payed $10 each compared to the $100+ i'd have to pay for a hardcover copy at my uni book store. But I'm looking for something less ebayish that has every book.
     
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  3. May 24, 2006 #2
    amazon also offers international editions.
     
  4. May 24, 2006 #3
    There is one site I know that offers international shipping from India, but the reviews I've read are bad (even locally). Beware some publishers' low-priced editions should not be sold beyond a certain geographic regoin (Wiley and Pearson Education, for example). Of course, it can be done, but that would be illegal.
     
  5. May 24, 2006 #4

    LeonhardEuler

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    Actually it is not illegal. Publishers often put warnings on textbooks to discaourage people from buying international editions, but the supreme court ruled that copyright law does not give publishers the right to determine where thier books are resold.
     
  6. May 24, 2006 #5
    I read only about three-fourths of that article, and I think the books being referred to are physically similar to the ones sold in America - Glossy pages, hardback, colour pictures etc.
    The ones I'm talking about are printed outside the US, without all those fancy things, and these books are faaar cheaper. To give you an example: My Griffiths' EM Text 3rd Ed.cost me INR 195 and the Original US price INR 3668 (as of 2004).
     
  7. May 24, 2006 #6

    LeonhardEuler

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    If you read the rest of the article it talks about publishers putting stickers on the books that say "International Edition RESTRICTED Not for Sale in North America" and also about getting books from asia. I'm pretty sure that they can't restrict idividuals from selling any of there books to people in other countries. They restrict wholesalers from buying foriegn books through thier contracts.

    edit: oh, by the way I have the international edition of Griffiths. I think it costed something like $30.
     
  8. May 24, 2006 #7

    LeonhardEuler

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    I just took out my copy of Giffiths' EM text. The warning message says "This edition is manufactured in India and is authorized for sale only in India, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives. Circulation of this edition outside these territories is UNAUTHORIZED." It never says you are breaking any law by purchasing it. Just that you are not specifically authorized to do so. It doesn't really mean anything.
     
  9. May 24, 2006 #8
    Not sure about what's happening in the US but yesterday I was gutted to find that I had stumbled upon by accident the Manchester Students Union book sale with only 20 mins before they closed and only £10 cash on me (so many textbooks I wanted and could only afford 1)...everyones finishing uni round about now is there anyway of finding similar things in your area?
     
  10. May 24, 2006 #9

    mathwonk

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    i recommend spending whatever you can afford to buy legitimate editions. maybe international editions are ok, but please avoid "pirated" editions from taiwan etc.

    it is a long life and why start out by stealing royalties from scholars such as you wish to become yourself.

    on the other hand many scholars today feel they are paid enough in their salaries and do not seek to become rich off students via selling textbooks.

    such people including myself, offer free notes and books online. try those.

    but if a guy is selling his book and charging a fee, and you want to read it, pay the fee.
     
  11. May 26, 2006 #10
    What's this site that offers international shipping from India?
     
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  13. May 27, 2006 #12
    I think the real question should be: Why are textbooks sold in the US so expensive? Here is a new version of Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis on Amazon and then the German translated version:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/00...002-4493091-1070456?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
    http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/AS...1102/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/028-5933401-7000553

    Why the holy hell does the English version cost $146 while the German version only costs 35 Euro? Since there's a translation involved it should essentially be more expensive to produce the German version. The English version is hardback, while the German version is softcover, but I'd hardly accept that as the reason for it costing 4 times more. My question is really just: Why are textbooks in the US so much more expensive than in Germany (and other places)?


    edit: I should have this article that LeonhardEuler posted. It pretty much answered my questions.
     
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  14. May 27, 2006 #13
    I believe that the publishers are gouging money from the US with their higher prices because they have essentially determined that the US market is willing to pay such high prices for textbooks. You've got a few big name publishers that have a monopoly on the textbook market.

    When they want to sell overseas, they don't see other countries' markets willing to pay those prices for a textbook so they sell it for cheap to get sales. Could you really sell a book for $150 in India which converts to thousands of rupees per book? I doubt you'd get many sales. So there has to be some economics rules that govern how they price books. Then they get pissed when american students buy from overseas because they lose big profit.

    Thank you for the link Neutrino
     
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  16. Jun 4, 2006 #15

    mathwonk

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    people in the US are richer than people elsewhere. be honest. if a book is available for much less, it is often because the author gets nothing for his labor. chose rather a free edition like my notes on my website, which i freely give you, or many other free notes, but do not buy pirated editions which are equivalent to stealing.

    i will make an attempt to post my notes on hiniors calc soon, whic are suimilar to many analysis notes. and i will look for some free ones for you.

    honesty and non stealing is a good habit, and will give you many nights of peaceful sleep in later life.
     
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  17. Jun 4, 2006 #16

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    this set looks good: www.math.unl.edu/~webnotes/home/home.htm - 3k

    i just searched under "analysis notes". later under real analysis notes i found more.

    fundamental academic advice: try not to lie, cheat, or steal.

    it is not always so easy, as you are finding out now. It is always possible to justify stealing, the other guy is overcharging me, I am poor, etc...
     
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  18. Jun 4, 2006 #17

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    i will tell you a secret: education is free - it is diplomas that cost money. I have not paid one cent for tuition since I learned this (in 1970).

    real students are so precious that they are subsidized by most teachers and institutions.

    "he/she who has ears to hear - let them hear."
     
  19. Jun 5, 2006 #18
    International editions are not pirated and buying them is not stealing in any sense of the word.
     
  20. Jun 5, 2006 #19
    What I find ridiculous is the claim that prices in the US represent what is necessary for the authors to be compensated. If that were the case, then original German works being sold in Germany, would cost as much as American textbooks, but they cost less than half as much on average. Do the authors there not get paid?

    Besides the idea that it's okay to corner the American market to force the students here to subsidize others' education goes against any free market principles and is morally wrong in my opinion. If the publishing companies want to donate money to buying books, they should donate their own. I find it ridiculous that universities in the US go along with these practices.

    I can only hope that as more and more people publish their lecture notes and entire books online (either for free or for payment), the increase in competition will force the publishing companies to drop their prices. Competition and freer market practices are the only real fair solutions to these monopolistic methods.
     
  21. Jun 5, 2006 #20

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    here are two apparently legitimate editions, which can be bought without violating any restrictions of the publisher, or kidding yourself, and quite cheap, easily found in a few minutes:

    24. Principles of Mathematical Analysis 1ST Edition*(ISBN: 1114135615)
    Rudin, Walter
    Bookseller: Powell's Books
    (Portland, OR, U.S.A.) Price: US$*15.00
    [Convert Currency] Shipping within U.S.A.:
    US$*3.75
    [Rates & Speeds]
    Book Description: MCGRAW HILL PUBLISHING COMPANY. HARDCOVER Mathematics-Real Analysis. USED, Less Than Standard. Bookseller Inventory # 04111413561502



    45. PRINCIPLES OF MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS.
    RUDIN, Walter.
    Bookseller: Robert Campbell Bookseller
    (Montreal, QC, Canada) Price: US$*25.00
    [Convert Currency] Shipping within Canada:
    US$*6.50
    [Rates & Speeds]
    Book Description: New York: McGraw-Hill, 1964., 1964. Second edition. Hardcover. Very good in very good dust jacket. 270pp. Bookseller Inventory # 26517
     
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