# Homework Help: How do i solve these 2 lims

1. Apr 7, 2009

### Dell

how would you go about solving these :

lim
n->inf (1/2 + 3/22 + 5/23 +..... +(2n-1)/2n)

and

lim
n->inf (12/n3+32/n3+52/n3+...+(2n-1)2/n3)

the pattern is very clear but what is the technique i should use to solve these?

2. Apr 7, 2009

### tiny-tim

Hi Dell!

(have an infinity: ∞ )
Try fiddling about with it until you can integrate it to something you can sum easily

3. Apr 7, 2009

### Staff: Mentor

For this one you can factor n3 out of all of the denominators (but not out of the summation). Then you're left with finding a closed form representation of 12 + 32 + 52 + ... + (2n - 1)2. This would be equal to the sum of the squares of the positive integers up to (2n), with the sum of the squares of the even integers up to (2n) subtracted off.

4. Apr 8, 2009

### Dell

how do i find the sum of squares of integers

5. Apr 8, 2009

### Dell

i see that the numerator is a series with a difference of +2
and the denominator is a series of *2

but i dont see how to simplify it

6. Apr 8, 2009

### tiny-tim

Hint: what does (2n - 1)/(√2)2n remind you of?

7. Apr 9, 2009

### Dell

do you mean that i should make t=2n and then integrate in parts? how would that help me? how would integration help at all?

this is what i have dont so far, but its wrong somewhere:

the sum S is

S = 1/2 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 7/16 +9/32 +...... (2n-1)/2^n

now i take double that and i get
2S = 1 + 3/2 + 5/4 + 7/8 + 9/16 +......(4n-2)/2^n

now if i subtract 2S-S i get
2S = 1 + 3/2 + 5/4 + 7/8 + 9/16 +......(4n-2)/2^n
S =//// 1/2 + 3/4 + 5/8 + 7/16 +9/32 +...... (2n-1)/2^n

as you see, if i subtract S from 2S all the middle fractions have a matching one (eg, 3/2 -1/2 =2/2 5/4 -3/4=2/4 etc) only the 1 from 2S and the (2n-1)/2^n from S are left with the sequence (2/2 +2/4 +2/8....)

2S – S = 1 + 2/2 + 2/4 + 2/8 + …2/2^n - (2n-1)/2^n

S = 1 + 2*( 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 …) - (2n-1)/2^n

now i know that 2*( 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 …) =2*1=2
so

S=1+2-(2n-1)/2^n
=3-(2n-1)/2^n

only that the answer is wrong, and the correct one is

3-(2n+3)/2^n

can you see where i have gone wrong??

8. Apr 10, 2009

### tiny-tim

ooh, that's clever … i didn't see that!
ah … that line is correct if you're going to ∞,

but for some reason the question wants you only to go to the nth term, so it's = 2 - … ?

(btw, I was thinking of f(√2) with f(x) = ∑(2n-1)/x2n, so that ∫f(x) = -∑1/x2n-1 … but your method is better )

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