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  1. Aug 13, 2007 #1
    How do i solve this qns?
    "Find the largest integer n such that n^6021=2007^2007" Pls tell me how to solve this. thanks.:smile:
     
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  3. Aug 13, 2007 #2

    Integral

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    Use logs...
     
  4. Aug 13, 2007 #3

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    Surely that's not the exact statement of the problem. There is at most one integer such that n6021= 20072007. If the 6021 root of 20072007 is an integer, then that is n. If it is not an
    integer then there is no solution. If those large numbers bother you, then as Integral said, you can use logarithms:

    log(n6021= 6021 log(n)= 2007 log(2007)
    log(n)= (2007 log(2007))/6021

    Using natural logs, ln(n)= 2.5347987829321127138088652278561
    so n= e2.5347987829321127138088652278561= 12.61. Of course, we had to round off the logarithms at 31 decimal places so that is not exact. It is however, far enough from an integer that we can be sure that the exact value is not an integer: there is no such n.

    Perhaps you meant "find the smallest integer,n, such that n6021> 20072007.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2007 #4
    Hello physicsrox,

    another method is to consider the numbers 6021 and 2007.
    Do you see a relationship between those two numbers?
     
  6. Aug 13, 2007 #5

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    Oh, well, if you want to do it the intelligent way!
     
  7. Aug 13, 2007 #6
    i dont .please help me out here ..i see if 2007 turn was reversed( or partially) then it becomes 7020 which maybe related in some way to 6021..maybe gcd.. help or mods ..i cant figure this way.
     
  8. Aug 13, 2007 #7

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    You're making it too complicated. don't reverse it. There's a very simple relationship between 2007 and 6021. Do you see it? stare at the two numbers for a while if you don't see it...
     
  9. Aug 13, 2007 #8

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    2007*3=6021
     
  10. Aug 13, 2007 #9
    thanks, i saw that but it said nothing to me ( please excuse my ignorance ) so i hesistated to mention. so can some one explain how todo it the intelligent way! :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Aug 13, 2007 #10

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    No problem. Edgardo's idea was that by factoring 6021, you can write [tex]n^{6021}[/tex] as [tex](n^3)^{2007}[/tex]

    Now the left side and right side both have the same exponent 2007... when two quantites have the same exponent, you just need to compare the bases...
     
  12. Aug 13, 2007 #11

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    And, doing that, we find again that there is no such number n!

    physicrox, I'll ask again: since you ask for "the largest integer n", is it possible that the problem is to find the largest integer n such that n6021< 20072007?

    That should now be easy to solve.
     
  13. Aug 13, 2007 #12
    cool .. i tried something different (dont know if it makes any sense)

    n^6021=2007^2007
    n^6021 can be written as 6021^n for any n

    so we have n^6021=2007^2007

    so we have log_6021 n = log_2007 2007
    which is quite easy to solve for n

    but what does this mean . if it means anthing at all.

    Edit: looking at it this way it produces an insane decimal, so ther is no integer n that is = .( disregard what i said about easy)
     
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  14. Aug 13, 2007 #13

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    Well, nope, this is not correct at all. ab is, definitely, not ba.

    Say, 12 = 1, but 21 = 2. So, they are not the same.

    Oh, and these 2 lines are wrong, too. You are taking different bases of both sides.
     
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  15. Aug 13, 2007 #14

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    and how do you conclude that???

     
  16. Aug 16, 2007 #15
    erm threetheoreom, the qns is n^6021>2007^2007, not n^6021=2007^2007.
    btw, thanks for the replies, especially learningphysics, using the simple law of indices. n^6021>2007^2007---(n^3)^2007>2007^2007. therefore, n^3>2007. n=12.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2007 #16
    12^3=1728<2007, so n does not equal 12.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2007 #17
    whoops, i typed wrongly. It should be n^6021<2007^2007. sorry. Here is another qns....

    Which of the following numbers is odd for any integer values of k?
    (A) 2007+k^3
    (B) 2007+7k
    (C) 2007+2k^2
    (D) 2007+2007k
    (E) 2007k
     
  19. Aug 16, 2007 #18

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    Odd+even=odd, right? Which of those choices could be this case?
     
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