News How is Fox News Fair and Balance? How is Fox news the only non-currupt news station?

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Fox News clearly picks a side when it comes to debates. How do you consider this fair and balance?


How can they claim they are they only non-corrupt network? What did Obama gave CNN? What sides of any issue has a CNN news caster picked?
 
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"Fair and balanced" is an advertising slogan.

Gilette, on the other hand, really is the best a man can get and Wendy's really isn't fast food, but is good food fast! :rolleyes:
How can they claim they are they only non-corrupt network?
Can you cite that claim for me please? I've never seen it.
What is that Obama gave CNN?
I'm not sure that's a complete sentence...
What sides of any issue has a CNN news caster picked?
For broad questions like that, the best place to start is often with the wiki on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies
 
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Glad foxnews is bringing john stossel aboard. At least they will bring in a conservative/libertarian journalist that doesn't agree with everything the republican party values. Both msnbc and Fox news are slanted; msnbc will defend the obama adminstration and fox news defended the bush adminstration.
 
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I don't pay much attention to any cable news, but I know MSNBC at least has one Republican in a prominent position on their network, Joe Scarborough.
 

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"Fair and balanced" is an advertising slogan.

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So news stations can post up lies in advertising slogans? :uhh:
 
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Fox News clearly picks a side when it comes to debates. How do you consider this fair and balance?


How can they claim they are they only non-corrupt network? What is that Obama gave CNN? What sides of any issue has a CNN news caster picked?
Ive never heard them claim another network to be corrupt. CNN doesnt seem too tilted one way or the other but lets not forget CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, they are all decidedly tilted to the democratic side. The belief in a non-biased media, be it fox or cnn or any of the others is false, heck the belief in a non-biased opinion is faulty.
And "fair and balanced" is just a catch phrase, kind of like a restraunt claiming their food is homemade, or a buisiness claiming the best burgers in the world. Do you really believe every slogan you hear?
 
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I don't pay much attention to any cable news, but I know MSNBC at least has one Republican in a prominent position on their network, Joe Scarborough.
Fox news did have alan colmes on their network.
 

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So news stations can post up lies in advertising slogans? :uhh:
Who decides that it is a lie and who makes the consequences for it? Why do you consider it more important than the other arrogant advertising slogans I listed?
 

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Who decides that it is a lie?
So you actually believe their network is completely fair and balanced with Glenn Beck and Seen Hannity? Yeah...they seem to be the most fair and balance guys I've ever seen. :rofl:
 

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So you actually believe their network is completely fair and balanced with Glenn Beck and Seen Hannity?
I didn't say that and no, I don't consider Fox to be "Fair and Balanced".

Answer my questions.

[edit] I didn't answer your question directly: No, "fair and balanced" is not a lie. It is not a fact-based statement, it is a value judgement - an opinion. Just like "best" or "good" in my other two examples.
 
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So you actually believe their network is completely fair and balanced with Glenn Beck and Seen Hannity? Yeah...they seem to be the most fair and balance guys I've ever seen. :rofl:
So are you suggesting Wax should be the media czar, censoring and editing every piece of information that is released to the public to ensure fairness?

Alternatively, who should fill that role?
 
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So you actually believe their network is completely fair and balanced with Glenn Beck and Seen Hannity? Yeah...they seem to be the most fair and balance guys I've ever seen. :rofl:
With sean hannity you might have a point, but glenn beck has called out bush the same as he has called out obama, that seems fair and balanced to me. Did you believe CNN was fair and balanced when glenn was on their network, or were they just right wing hacks because he was on their network?
 

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With sean hannity you might have a point, but glenn beck has called out bush the same as he has called out obama, that seems fair and balanced to me.
Not exactly. Bush was criticized by guys like Beck and Limbaugh for not being conservative enough.
 
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Not exactly. Bush was criticized by guys like Beck and Limbaugh for not being conservative enough.
He was still criticized. I thought this post was about just following a party line, not being objective. Then again I guess I have seen a few liberal pundits claiming obama isnt liberal enough. So I guess by my reasoning I will have to remove cbs,nbc,abc,pbs,msnbc from the non-critical category. sorry from rambling, i agree with you after all. Thanks for straightening me out Russ.
 
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Fox news did have alan colmes on their network.
He hardly can be considered "liberal." Fox news promoted him to be a far lefty so conservatives actually believe Fox is balanced, when, in reality, he is just a moderate who is being over powered by Hannity.


On a side note, Fox is news is conservative, but most of the rest of the media is liberal. Not surprising since most journalists are registered Democrats.
Also, http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=286090
 
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Not exactly. Bush was criticized by guys like Beck and Limbaugh for not being conservative enough.
Yes, well Obama has not faced the criticism that Bush faced! Well at least they are frightened of Obama, that has got to be a good thing :rofl:
 

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Yes, well Obama has not faced the criticism that Bush faced! Well at least they are frightened of Obama, that has got to be a good thing :rofl:
that made me cry laughing :rofl:
 
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So you actually believe their network is completely fair and balanced with Glenn Beck and Seen Hannity? Yeah...they seem to be the most fair and balance guys I've ever seen. :rofl:
Please note that Hannity, O'Reilly, ect all have their own shows they are not actually on Fox News and nor are they reporters. They are affiliated with Fox News.


And before anyone wants to jump on me; I do not watch Fox News nor do I feel that Fox News is particularly neutral in their reporting.
 
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No, "fair and balanced" is not a lie. It is not a fact-based statement, it is a value judgement - an opinion. Just like "best" or "good" in my other two examples.
Are you suggesting Fox News does attempt to be fair and balanced, or suggesting there is nothing dishonest about claiming as much even not attempting to live up to the claim?
Please note that Hannity, O'Reilly, ect all have their own shows they are not actually on Fox News...
What channel are their shows on?
 

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Are you suggesting Fox News does attempt to be fair and balanced
No. I said nothing of the sort. I don't have any idea what their real philosophy is, if they even have one.

Heck, maybe people are misreading the slogan! Maybe "Fair and balanced" means providing the conservative view to balance out the liberal news services for the purpose of fairness*. It doesn't really matter though: again, it is an advertising slogan. It isn't really useful to read into most advertising slogans, especially ones not making clear factual claims (drug advertisements are a clear exception).
...or suggesting there is nothing dishonest about claiming as much even not attempting to live up to the claim?
I don't know if they are trying to live up to it or not. Does any news company have such discussions or written policies? Do advertising people ever talk to production people? I really have no idea how the day to day operations of a news organization work.
What channel are their shows on?
Fox News is on Fox News. I think they also have the news broadcasts on the Fox local afiliates.

*One of the headlines on their website right now is: "Silent on Scandal: CNN.com & MSNBC.com tried but couldn't ignore the Van Jones scandal".
 
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What channel are their shows on?
Ah, so Family Guy was fair and balanced then? The Simpsons? Smallville? If one show on Fox says that its fair and balanced then they are all supposed to be?
 
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Heck, maybe people are misreading the slogan! Maybe "Fair and balanced" means providing the conservative view to balance out the liberal news services for the purpose of fairness*.
Surely that would be better described as a case of them misphrasing their slogan? I mean "fair and balanced" does not rightly suggest such an attempt to provide contrast a you propose, while something along the lines if they called themselves "the fair balance" would suit that purpose.
It doesn't really matter though: again, it is an advertising slogan.
So if one advertised dried manure as "creamy and delicious", would you also suggest that not a lie but rather only a value judgement? And do you suggest that standard should apply universally aside from advertisements for drugs?
I don't know if they are trying to live up to it or not.
Can you cite any notable evidence to suggest they might? Even for as little as I see from them, I can cite plenty of evidence to suggest the contrary.
Ah, so Family Guy was fair and balanced then? The Simpsons? Smallville? If one show on Fox says that its fair and balanced then they are all supposed to be?
Does http://www.fox.com/" [Broken].
 
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Surely that would be better described as a case of them misphrasing their slogan? I mean "fair and balanced" does not rightly suggest such an attempt to provide contrast a you propose, while something along the lines if they called themselves "the fair balance" would suit that purpose.
I don't really know. It is only a hypothetical and not really important. Just pointing out a possibility.
So if one advertised dried manure as "creamy and delicious", would you also suggest that not a lie but rather only a value judgement? And do you suggest that standard should apply universally aside from advertisements for drugs?
AFAIK, the standard only applies to claims of a clear factual nature. Even then it is difficult to prove/enforce. I've heard of a few of the "oxygenated water" ads being challenged, for example, but such things are rare AFAIK.
Can you cite any notable evidence to suggest they might? Even for as little as I see from them, I can cite plenty of evidence to suggest the contrary.
I just stated I don't know. I'm sure you can cite evidence of Fox's bias. So what? What's your point?

Kyleb, you are really arguing a usless line of thought here. You don't have to argue your way into a point about Fox's bias: I agree that Fox is biased. So now what?
 
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The do at least try and stand up for the multi-billion $ global corporation against evil governments.
Sky (the FOX news channel in Europe) are campaigning to get the EU monopoly regulators to ban BBC news as unfair competition
 

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