How much is space actually bent by mass?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a simple formula for measuring how much space is bent by a given mass. The formula proposed involves a spherical mass and a light ray passing within a certain distance of the object. The angle of bend is determined by the ratio of the mass and the distance. This formula provides a way to understand the subtle effects of gravity on the geometry of spacetime.
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Is there a formula that readily says how much space is bent? I'm thinking of a formula that for example would give the length from A to B when there is a mass in line-of-sight between A and B.

What is that (or similar) formula?

I'd prefer a non-tensor answer, if possible ...

Thanks is advance
 
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The only way to measure lengths involves a metric, which is a tensor.

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techwonder said:
Is there a formula that readily says how much space is bent?

You want a simple formula that gives some idea of how much a given mass will bend space.
A partial answer is to assume there is a spherical mass M and a lightray that passes within a distance R (of the center) of the object. then there is an extremely simple formula that tells the ANGLE the ray is bent by the thing's gravity. Perhaps you already know that formula and want something fancier. but if not it certainly gives some idea of the size of the geometrical effect of a concentration of matter


the angle in radians is

[tex]\frac{4GM}{c^2R}[/tex]

for the sun the quantity

[tex]\frac{4GM}{c^2}[/tex]

is 6 kilometers, so if a ray of light passes 6,000,000 km from sun center
then it will be bent by an angle of 6/6,000,000 radians
or 1/1,000,000 of a radian.

you can plug in different masses for M, like mass of a galaxy or mass of the Earth, and see what angles light is bent

it gives a way of appreciating how very very slight the effect on the geometry of spacetime is, from even real hefty concentrations of matter

if you keep asking, chroot will probably tell you more of the story, but this is at least a start

[edit: thanks Labguy! I have edited this to conform with Labguy's pointer, originally I had R an order of magnitude smaller]
 
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so if a ray of light passes 600,000 km from sun center
That would be hard to do since the diameter of ther sun is ~1,390, 000 km, ~695,000 km Radius... :zzz:
 
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Thanks a lot!

the formula given is exactly what I looked for
 

1. How is space bent by mass?

According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, masses create a gravitational field that warps the fabric of space-time. This warping is what we perceive as the force of gravity.

2. Does the amount of mass determine the degree of space bending?

Yes, the amount of mass does determine the degree of space bending. The more massive an object is, the stronger its gravitational field and the more it bends the fabric of space-time.

3. Can we measure the degree of space bending caused by a specific mass?

Yes, we can measure the degree of space bending caused by a specific mass. This is typically done through precise measurements of the bending of light around the mass, known as gravitational lensing.

4. Is space bending the only way that mass affects the universe?

No, space bending is not the only way that mass affects the universe. Mass also plays a crucial role in the formation and evolution of galaxies, as well as the motion of celestial bodies within them.

5. Are there any limitations to the amount of space bending that can occur?

According to general relativity, there is no upper limit to the amount of space bending that can occur. However, in extreme cases such as black holes, the bending of space becomes infinitely strong, leading to the formation of a singularity where the laws of physics break down.

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