How to quantize a particle confined to the surface of a sphere?

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of going from the classical Lagrangian to the Schrodinger equation, with a focus on the quantization of the system. The Podolsky trick is mentioned and there is a discussion about starting from the classical Lagrangian or Hamiltonian. The concept of a quantum Hamiltonian and its justification is also brought up. The main focus is on the quantization process and the role of the Hamiltonian in this process.
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wdlang
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how to go step by step from the classical lagrangian to the schrodinger equation?

i would like to work with the two angles.

whether the quantization is right or not is a matter of experiment, is not it? I mean, you might have many schemes of quantization, but which one is the right one is up to experiment.
 
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Do you know the Podolsky trick?

B. Podolsky, Phys. Rev., 32, 812 (1928).
 
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DrDu said:
Do you know the Podolsky trick?

B. Podolsky, Phys. Rev., 32, 812 (1928).

Thanks a lot. It looks interesting.
 
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Is there a specific reason you want to start from the Lagrangian (there is no need for the qualifier "classical" by the way)? The quantization for the system in the OP is much easier than that. All you have to do is take the total energy of a free particle confined to a sphere, which will involve the total angular momentum and the moment of inertia, and then promote the angular momentum to an operator. From there you can easily write down the Schrodinger equation and immediately get the general solution (which will be in terms of the spherical harmonics-the eigenstates of the angular momentum).
 
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WannabeNewton said:
Is there a specific reason you want to start from the Lagrangian (there is no need for the qualifier "classical" by the way)? The quantization for the system in the OP is much easier than that. All you have to do is take the total energy of a free particle confined to a sphere, which will involve the total angular momentum and the moment of inertia, and then promote the angular momentum to an operator. From there you can easily write down the Schrodinger equation and immediately get the general solution (which will be in terms of the spherical harmonics-the eigenstates of the angular momentum).

I would feel safe if i start from the classical lagrangian or the classical hamiltonian.

It is at first a psychological issue.

I do not understand why you just mention energy, not the hamiltonian. Of course, the hamiltonian is time independent and energy is conserved.

Another fundamental issue is, what justifies a quantum hamiltonian? Only experiment can do it or we have some theoretical criterion?
 
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wdlang said:
I do not understand why you just mention energy, not the hamiltonian. Of course, the hamiltonian is time independent and energy is conserved.

There are no external influences so the total energy is the Hamiltonian.

wdlang said:
Another fundamental issue is, what justifies a quantum hamiltonian? Only experiment can do it or we have some theoretical criterion?

We promote the classical Hamiltonian to an operator because state vectors are mapped into other state vectors by operators acting on state space and the Hamiltonian generates time-translations which is what we need in order to propagate the state vector in state space.
 

1. What does it mean to quantize a particle?

Quantization refers to the process of assigning discrete values (or "quanta") to a physical quantity, such as energy or momentum, in quantum mechanics. This allows for a more accurate description of the behavior of particles at the microscopic level.

2. Why is quantization necessary for a particle confined to the surface of a sphere?

A particle confined to the surface of a sphere is subject to certain boundary conditions, which can only be accurately described using quantum mechanics. Quantization allows for the calculation of the allowed energy levels and corresponding wave functions for the particle in this unique situation.

3. What is the equation for quantizing a particle on the surface of a sphere?

The equation used for quantizing a particle on the surface of a sphere is known as the spherical harmonic equation. It involves solving for the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the Laplace operator, which represents the energy of the particle on the surface of the sphere.

4. Can the quantization of a particle on the surface of a sphere be applied to other shapes?

Yes, the quantization process can be applied to particles confined to any shape or boundary. However, the specific equations and boundary conditions may differ depending on the shape being studied.

5. Are there any experimental observations that support the quantization of particles on the surface of a sphere?

Yes, there have been numerous experiments that have confirmed the quantization of particles on the surface of a sphere, such as the observation of the quantized energy levels of electrons in atoms. Additionally, theoretical predictions based on the quantization of particles on the surface of a sphere have been found to be in agreement with experimental data.

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