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Hydrogen Atom :Effective Potential

  1. Aug 10, 2006 #1
    Basic SE, Hydrogen atom I'm given the basicc equation for the effective potential I've worked out the bohr radius (a)

    Q. Describe what happens to the effective potential for orbital angular momentum l>0 and electron radius r < r(min)

    r(min) = l(l+1)a

    I'm thinking that the effective potential will become positive which would indicate that the electron will repel but am having a hard time seeing how positives and negatives can repel.

    My answer (2nd year exam). Would probably be.

    The effective potential will become positive which indicates a negative charge is repelled by a postive one. This is not a physically possible solution,.
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  3. Aug 10, 2006 #2

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    Hi alfred,

    I think you would find it helpful to make a little sketch of the effective potential. One thing you will see is that the effective potential does not immediately become positive after the minimum is passed. In fact, you know that the sign of the potential doesn't determine whether the force is attractive or repulsive. Remember that you can always add a constant to the potential without changing the physics. Something does change, however, when you cross the minimum of the potential. Hint: how does the potential relate to the force?

    Also, the effective potential includes the centrifugal barrier (the angular momentum piece) which can lead to an effective repulsion. What is the physical origin of this seeming repulsion?
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  4. Aug 11, 2006 #3
    Thanks, the distance derivative of the potential is the Force (F = - dU/dr) so the force is attractive since r<rmin has negative gradient.

    The second part I think, as r is decreasing the velocity needs to increase to conserve angular momentum so the centrifrugal (outward) force (proportional to v-squared) increases.
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