# News I am with Terrorism

1. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

"I am with Terrorism"

I think it is important to translate from Arabic to English some will known poet and literature to show how really ‘’the others are thinking). Qabbani is one of the most popular Arab peot in modern age:

Source:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/arabic/7206

((Nizar Qabbani was buried today in his hometown of Damascus. Nizar Qabbani is one of the Arab most influential poets. His poems about women and women rights in the Arab world won him both praise and condemnation. He also attacked the Arab regimes as well as the rape of Palestine.
After the death of his wife (Balkis - a rose) in Beirut in a car bombing of the Iraqi embassy where she worked, he wrote a devastating poem that expressed his love and longing for his wife and condemnation of the state of the Arab condition. (For those of you who are Star Trek fans, do you remember that entity that was married to a human women and when aliens attacked the planet and killed his wife, in a moment of rage he destroyed them all? Not just the attacking ships but all of them.))

I am with Terrorism

We are accused of terrorism:

if we defended rose and woman

and the mighty verse ...

and the blueness of sky ...

A dominion .. nothing left therein...

No water, no air ..

No tent, no camel,

and not even dark Arabica coffee!!

We are accused of terrorism:

if we defended with guts

the hair of Balqis

and the lips of Maysun

if we defended Hind, and Dad

Lubna and Rabab ..

and the stream of Kohl

coming down from their lashes like the verses of revelation.

You will not find with me

a secret poem

or a secret logos

or books I put behind doors.

I do not even have one Qasidah

walking down the street, wearing Hijab.

We are accused of terrorism:

if we wrote about the ruins of a homeland

torn, weak ...

and a nation with no name

I seek the remnants of a watan

none of its grand poems is left

except the bemoans of Khansa.

I seek a dominion in whose horizons

no freedom can be found

red .. blue or yellow.

A homeland forbidding us from buying a newspaper

or listening to the news.

A dominion wherein birds are forbidden

from chirping.

A homeland wherein, out of terror [rub],

its writers got accustomed to write about

nothing.

A watan, in the likeness of poetry in our lands : It is vain talk,

no rhythm,

imported

Ajam, with a crooked face and tongue:

No beginning

No end

No relation with people's worry

mother earth

and the crisis of man.

A dominion ...

going to peace talks

with no honor

no shoe.

A homeland,

men peed in their pans ..

women are those left to defend honor.

Salt in our eyes

Salt in our lips

Salt in our words

Can the self carry such dryness?

An inheritance we got from the barren Qahtan?

In our nation, no Muawiya, and no Abu Sufiyan

No one is left to say "NO"

and face the quitters

they gave up our houses, our bread and our [olive] oil.

They transformed our bright history into a mediocre store.

In our lives, no Qasidah is left,

since we lost our chastity in the bed of the Sultan.

They got accustomed to us, the humbled.

What is left to man

when all that remains

is disgrace.

I seek in the books of history

Ussamah ibn al-Munqith

Uqba ibn Nafi

Omar, and Hamzah

and Khalid, driving his flocks toward Sham . I seek a Mutasim Billah

Saving women from the cruelty of rape

and the fire.

I seek latter days men

All I can see is frightened cats

Scared for their own souls, from

the sultanship of mice.

Is this an overwhelming national blindness?

Are we blind to colors?

We are accused of terrorism

If we refuse to die

with Israel's bulldozers

tearing our land

tearing our history

tearing our Evangelium

tearing our Koran

tearing the graves of our prophets

If this was our sin,

then, lo, how beautiful terrorism is?

We are accused of terrorism

if we refused to be effaced

by the hands of the Mogul, Jews and Barbarians

if we throw a stone

at the glass of the the Security Council

after the Ceasar of Ceasar got a hold of it.

We are accused of terrorism

if we refuse to negociate with the wolf

and shake the hand with a whore

Amrika

Against the cultures of the peoples

with no culture

Against the civilizations of the civilized

with no civilization

Amrika

a mighty edifice

with no walls!

We are accused of terrorism:

if we refused an era

Amrika became

the foolish, the rich, the mighty

translated, sworn

in Ivri.

We are accused of terrorism:

if we throw a rose

to Jerusalem

to al-Khalil

to Ghazza

to an-Nasirah

if we took bread and water

to beleaguered Troy.

We are accused of terrorism:

if we raised our voices against

All changed their rides:

from Unionists

to Brokers.

If we committed the heinous crime of culture

if we revolted against the orders of the grand caliph

and the seat of the caliphate

If we read jurisprudence or politics

If we recalled God

[that Chapter of Conquest].

If we listened to the Friday sermon

then we are well-established in the art of terrorism

We are accused of terrorism

if we defended land

and the honor of dust

if we revolted against the rape of people

and our rape

if we defended the last palm trees in our desert

the last stars in our sky

the last syllabi of our names

the last milk in our mothers' bossoms

if this was our sin

how beautiful is terrorism.

I am with terrorism

if it is able to save me

from the immigrants from Russia

Romania, Hungaria, and Poland

They settled in Palestine

set foot on our shoulders

to steal the minarets of al-Quds

and the door of Aqsa

to steal the arabesques

and the domes.

I am with terrorism

if it will free the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth,

and the virgin, Meriam Betula

and the holy city

from the ambassadors of death and desolation

Yesteryear

The nationalist street was fervent

like a wild horse.

The rivers were abundant with the spirit of youth.

But after Olso,

we are now a blind and lost people.

We are accused of terrorism:

if we defended with full-force

our poetic heritage

our national wall

our rosy civilization

the culture of flutes in our mountains

and the mirrors displaying blackened eyes.

We are accused of terrorism:

if we defended what we wrote

El azure of our sea

and the aroma of ink

if we defended the freedom of the word

and the holiness of books

I am with terrorism

if it is able to free a people

from tyrants and tyranny

if it is able to save man from the cruelty of man

to return lemon, olive tree, and bird to the South of Lebanon

and the smile back to Golan

I am with terrorism

if it will save me

from the Ceasar of Yehuda

and the Ceasar of Rome

I am with terrorism

as long as this new world order

is shared

between Amrika and Israel

half-half

I am with terrorism

with all my poetry

with all my words

and all my teeth

as long as this new world

is in the hands of a butcher.

I am with terrorism

if the U.S. Senate

enacts judgement

decrees reward and punishment

I am with terrorism

as long this new world order

hates the smell of Arab.

I am with terrorism

as long as the new world order

wants to slaughter my off-spring.

and send them to dogs.

For all this

I raise my voice high:

I am with terrorism

I am with terrorism

I am with terrorism ...

- Nizar Qabbani London, 15 Nisan (April) 1997.

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2. Nov 28, 2004

### Gonzolo

I read it. Is he encouraging all Arabs to be terrorists?

3. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

It depends on the definition of terrorism..

If you define the terrorism as resisting the occupation, imperialists, dictators ... then he support that.

But if you define the terrorism as targeting civilians, surely he against it ... especially he lost his wife in terrorist attacks against the Iraqi Embassy in Beirut ... he cried a lot for her.

By the way, Qabbani had hard time with Arab dictators and some Islamic groups, he was called ''the poet of women '', because most of his poem about supporting women rights.

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4. Nov 28, 2004

### Janitor

I wonder

If you could bring yourself to pretend--just for a few seconds--that the deity of the Koran is merely a fiction that The Prophet falsely believed was real, would it drastically change the impact that Qabbani's writing has on you?

5. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

Qabbani is not religious, even many Muslims rejected to pray on his body in the mosque after his death. This means they did not believe he is Muslim.

He is one of the leaders of the liberal Arab who fight against dictators, occupation and imperialist and fight for freedom and women rights in Arab world.

It is strange that you chose just few words mentioned Koran from such long poem!!!! He also mentioned some words about Christian:

I am with terrorism

if it will free the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth,

and the virgin, Meriam Betula

and the holy city

from the ambassadors of death and desolation

I think ‘’tearing the Koran’’ is symbolic refer to external imperialists forces who want to destroy our culture …. The same as he talked about Jesus and Mary .. who represent the Christian part of Arab culture …. Such symbolism is well known in Arabic poem

The importance of this poem is to prove that the conflict is not ''pure religious'' as many American think. Arab liberals (many among them are from christian background : Edward Saeed, Azmi Beshara, Elias Khouri ...) were the leaders of anti dictators and anti imperialists resistance for decades .. till the rise of Islamic groups in last 15 years.
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You can see Qabbani in the American University of Beirut :

http://almashriq.hiof.no/ddc/projects/public/qabbani/nizarintro.ram

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6. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

Another poem
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Qana is town in South of Lebanon was under UN control. The Israeli murdered 120 civilians in this town in 1995. USA used Veto to protect Israel after the report of UN shoed that Israel is completely responsible about this massacre ... this report was main reason that USA kicked out the former UN secretary , Butrus Ghali.

http://www.future.com.lb/qana/

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The face of Qana
Pale, like that of Jesus
And the sea breeze of Nisan
Rains of blood.. and tears..
They entered Qana stepping on our charred bodies
Raising a Nazi flag in the lands of the South
And rehearsing its stormy chapters..
Hitler cremated them in the gaschambers..
And they came after him to burn us..
Hitler kicked them out of Eastern Europe
And they kicked us out of our lands
Hitler did not find the time to destroy them
And relieve earth of their mischief
They came after him..
To destroy us

They entered Qana
Like hungry wolves
Putting to fire the house of the Messiah..
Stepping on the Thob of Hussain..
And the dear land of the South

Blasted Wheat, Olive-trees and Tobacco
And the melodies of the nightingale
Blasted sea and the gulls
Blasted hospitals
Nursing moms
And schoolboys..
Blasted the beauty of the Southern women
And murdered the gardens of the honeyed eyes

WE saw the tears in Ali's eyes
We heard his voice as he prayed
Under the rain of bloody skies..

Who ever will write about the history of Qana
Will inscribe in his parchments
This was the second Karbala

Qana unveiled what was hidden
We saw Amrika
Wearing the old coat of a Jewish Rabbi
Blasting our children for no reason
Blasting our wives for no reason
Blasting our trees for no reason
Blasting our thoughts for no reason
Has it been decreed in her constitution,
She, Amrika, mistress of the world,
In Hebrew.. that she should humble us all-Arab?

Has it been decreed that each time a ruler in Amrika
Wants to win the presidency that he should kill us..
We all-Arab?

We waited for one Arab to come
Pull this thorny prick from our necks
We waited for single Qurei****e
A single Hashemite
A single Don Quixote
A single Qabadaya, for whom they did not shave the moustache
We waited for a Khalid.. A Tariq.. or Antara..
We were eaten Tharthara (while engaged in vain talk)
The sent a fax
Way after paying tribute
And the end of the Majzara (slaughter)..

What does Yisrael fear from our cries?
What does she fear from our faxes?
It is a single text we write
For all the martyrs who left..
And all the martyrs those who will come

What does Yisrael frear from Ibn al-Muqaffa?
Jarir and .. Farazdag?
And Khansa throwing her poems at the gates of the Maqbara (cemetery)
What does she fear if we burn tires
Sign communiques
And destroy shops
And she knows that we have never been kings of Harb (war)
But were kings of Tharthara (wild belching)

What does Yisrael fear
From the beating of the drums
The tearing of clothes
And the scratching of Khudud
What does she fear when she hears
The stories of 'Ad and Thamud?

We are in national ivresse
Since the times of conquest..
The Barid

We are a people made of dough
The more Yisrael increases in her killing and terrorism
The more we increase in idleness and Burud (coldness)

A Smothering Dominion
A regional dialect that increases in ugliness
And a green union that grows in isolation
Summer trees, growing barren
And borders.. whenever the whim strikes
Erase other borders

Yisrael should slaughter us, and why not?
She should erase Hisham, Ziyad and ar-Rashid, and why not?
Why not? And the Banu Taghlab lusting after their women
Why not? And Banu Mazen lusting after their ghilman (slave boys)
Why not? And Banu Adnan dropping their trousers to their knees
Debating.. necking and .. the lips!

What should Yisrael fear from some of All-Arab
When they became Yehuda???

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The Fortune Teller
By: Nizar Kabbani ( Translated from Arabic Language):

She sat with fear in her eyes
Contemplating the upturned cup
She said "Do not be sad, my son
You are destined to fall in love"
My son,Who sacrifices himself for his beloved,
Is a martyr

For long have I studied fortune-telling
But never have I read a cup similar to yours
For long have I studied fortune-telling
But never have I seen sorrows similar to yours
You are predestined to sail forever
Sail-less, on the sea of love
To be a book of tears
And be imprisoned
Between water and fire

But despite all its pains,
That is with us day and night
Despite the wind
The rainy weather
And the cyclone
It is love, my son
That will be forever the best of fates

There is a woman in your life, my son
Her eyes are so beautiful
Glory to God
Her mouth and her laughter
Are full of roses and melodies
And her gypsy and crazy love of life
Travels the world
The woman you love
But your sky will be rain-filled
Your beloved, my son, is sleeping
In a guarded palace
He who approaches her garden wall
Who enters her room
And who proposes to her
Or tries to unite her plaits
Will cause her to be lost, my son...lost

You will seek her everywhere, my son
You will ask the shores of the seas
You will travel the oceans
And your tears will flow like a river
And at the close of your life
You will find that since your beloved
Has no land, no home, no address
You have been pursuing only a trace of smoke
How difficult it is, my son
To love a woman
Who has neither land, nor home

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7. Nov 28, 2004

### Gonzolo

I personnally think that the litteral "terrorists", i.e. the people who use bombs and violence to attack and terrorize civilians, use religion as a pretext to recruit people into their groups. By mixing religion and bombs themselves (especially with the concept of "Jihad") to convince Arabs of their "cause", the leaders of such groups also confuse Americans into being very skeptical of Islam. I don't think it's pure religious, although many probably do.

As of today, I believe the true purpose of the group leaders is to gain land, power, money and personnal respect. It's a conflict of poorer against richer, and their motivation is the fact that 1000 years ago, it is the Muslim/Arab world which was richer.

8. Nov 28, 2004

### Janitor

Bilal,

I realize that this may sound to you like it is off of your topic, but what is your evaluation, as a Palestinian, of this:

which I found here:

http://www.kqed.org/topics/news/perspectives/youdecide/pop/overpop/4yes.html

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9. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

Jihad has many other meanings in Arabic. Even many Arab Christian are called ''Jihad'' , ( Jihad Khazen = well known Lebanese Christian journalist). Anyway , this is will be long topic , especially the Arab/Muslims understood it in different way than American show it.

I do not know what you means by the leaders of these groups, but if you mean the Islamic groups, then you are incorrect.

The main difference between Islamic groups and most of other groups, that the leaders of firs groups are willing to scarify their lives and money for their principles...

For example:

Hizbullah : The son of his leaders was killed in attack against the Israeli occupation army in south Lebanon.

Hamas : Most of its leaders were killed by Israeli. They used to be on the fire lines fighting with their soldiers.

Even OBL is very rich person who can live very wealthy life n, but he decided to use his money and his life for his ''ideas''.

There is global resistance in the East after the end of the Anglo-French colonist era. This resistance directed against the corrupted dictators and puppet regimes and against the Zionism project in ME. In last decades, nationalists, liberals and communists used to be the leaders of this resistance ... it seems recently that Islamic groups got more power among these groups.

10. Nov 28, 2004

### Bilal

Muslims since very early Islam used “birth control”, even some early scholars (7 th century) explained how they can control birth (by letting man sperm pour outside).

(Opposite to catholic and Judaism, from Islamic point: Sex between husband and wife is considered as essential part of marriage and it is encouraged strongly, even if parents do not intent to get kids from the relation)

Currently, in all Islamic countries there are Fatwa agree or even support ‘’birth control’’.

There are misunderstanding with controlling ‘’birth” and encouraging having many kids. Islam encourages the family to have many kids ‘’as most of other religions’’, but it is up to the parents to decide the number of their kids.

In other words, from Islamic views: it is not sin to make control birth, but it is better to have many kids if you have the ability for that.

In Palestine, the average number of kids of the family was 10 kids before 50 years, currently the average around 6 kids (it is still from the highest in the world)

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11. Nov 28, 2004

### Gonzolo

Americans basically translate "Jihad" to "Holy war", which is, as far as I'm concerned a contradiction in terms with no credibility, it makes no sense. Nothing "holy" is associated with violence according to the other religions I'm familiar with. It may not be the best translation, but it is the one that runs around.

Some counter this argument with the the Crusades of the Christians, well, first I probably don't understand them fully, second, they were a failure themselves : Christians and Muslims should have learned the lesson, and third, if all Muslim/Arabs do recognize that a (Holy) "War" against America is actually going on (I don't think every Muslims do), then America has quite a right to defend itself in any way it can, and since Islam has no borders, then whether the US goes after Afghanistan, or Iraq or any other countries where Muslims predominate almost becomes irrelevent. Either borders between countries matter, or they don't. The "terrorist" groups seem to think they don't (between the arab countries).

The groups I had in mind are exactly those 3 :, Al Quaeda, Hamas, and Hisbullah.

"The main difference between Islamic groups and most of other groups, that the leaders of firs groups are willing to scarify their lives and money for their principles..."

I totally agree with that statement (except I don't think it's all Islamic groups). What I think most Americans don't agree with and frankly don't even respect much is "sacrify their lives". This crosses the line. I value life more than any principle. If someone suicides, it don't like it, it is sad, and I can manage to feel for that person. But if someone suicides and brings along people who wish to live, how can I possibly approve of that and admire that person? It defeats the purpose of having a principle. Even Hindus who belive in reincarnation don't do that. Those three groups cannot earn respect from the rest of the world if such actions are acceptable to them. No one wants people like that as their neighboor.

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12. Nov 28, 2004

### Staff: Mentor

Well, I could call "coffee" "tea", but that would confuse a lot of people. Definitions are supposed to be constant and consistently applied, otherwise the words truly are meaningless.

Terrorism is a word that terrorists have to attempt to cloud because the objective definition isn't a positive one. Applying the real definition objectively means terrorists truly are evil.

But hey, if you don't like the word, there are plenty of other ones that can describe those people and their actions: murderers, criminals, outlaws, savages, barbarians, evil, etc. Take your pick.

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13. Nov 28, 2004

### EL

Btw, what's the definition of "evil"?

14. Nov 28, 2004

### Staff: Mentor

EVIL:

15. Nov 28, 2004

### EL

:tongue2:
Well we can continue this for a while:
What is "morally bad or wrong"?

16. Nov 28, 2004

### plover

As far as I know, the literal translation of "jihad" is not "holy war" but simply "striving", and as a religious doctrine indicates many kinds of sacrifices that a Muslim may make toward spiritual goals. While I think the specific meaning of ejecting the ungodly from Muslim society has been around since almost the founding of Islam, my impression is also that that has not historically been the most important definition. The terror groups obviously use the word as a spiritual justification for their violence, but how many Muslims accept this justification? Are there non-violent interpretations of what jihad against Western nations might mean? Or do Muslims who are angry about the actions of Western powers in the Middle East, but who would never countenance terrorism use a different concept?

For a long time, European countries used the word "mission" in the sense of "mission to Christianize heathens" as a justification for colonialism. Bush has used the word "crusade" in reference to the current U.S. wars in the Middle East.

All of these ideas have complicated histories, and there is certainly no consensus on how to interpret them.

(I certainly invite Bilal to correct any misinterpretation of "jihad" I have made here.)

17. Nov 28, 2004

### plover

Did you really not read the next sentence of Bilal's post?
I'm not sure how you justify that Bilal (or Qabbani in other than a literary fashion—and if you understand the use of metaphor in Islamic poetry, I'm a camel) is blurring the definition of terrorism. The most coherent interpretation I've been able to come up with for your post is the pathetically one-dimensional idea that anyone who wants to resist Western actions in the Middle East, and calls Westerners imperialists just wants to blur the meaning of terrorism (no matter what tactics they would or would not support).

So, how much of this reflects your actual thinking and how much is just sloppy writing?

And what do you call resisting occupation by imperialists and dictators?

18. Nov 29, 2004

### Staff: Mentor

Are you being purposefully obtuse? I won't play the game.
Bilal says a lot of contradictory things and talks in generalities instead of specifics. The primary, specific tatic used by Hizbullah, Hamas, and Al Queada is terrorism. Period. You strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a bus station, that's terrorism. Period. The motivation is irrelevant obfuscation, rationalization, and misdirection.

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19. Nov 29, 2004

### plover

It doesn't look like he's contradicted himself (but it's not impossible). Come back when your Arabic is as good as his English. Accusing someone of obfuscation before you know what they're saying just looks like gratuitous hostility.
And someone implied otherwise, um... where? (No, not there, read it more carefully.)
If you can't distinguish between the anger and defiance and despair that most Palestinians (or Syrians—Qabbani was Syrian) experience and the will to commit terrorism, I'm not sure what I can say.

20. Nov 29, 2004

### plover

"I am with terrorism" —
If this translation is remotely accurate, I can think of at least four meanings for this:
• "I embrace terrorism" - it seems clear from the poem that this one is intended ironically
• "I contain terrorism" - the fear that despair might lead to embracing terrorism
• "I am counted as a terrorist" - the feeling of being seen as no different from the terrorists
• "Terrorism is with me" - the sense of living in the shadow of terrorism and terrorists