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I was astonished by Kerry's version" [in his book Tour of Duty] of what happened Dec. 2, Schachte said Thursday. When asked to support the Kerry critics in the swift boat controversy, Schachte said, "I didn't want to get involved." But he said he gradually began to change his mind when he saw his own involvement and credibility challenged, starting with Davis on CNN's "Crossfire" on Aug. 12.
... Schachte said he never has been contacted by or talked to anybody in the Bush-Cheney campaign or any Republican organization. He said he has been a political independent who votes for candidates of both parties.
I'm beginning to question your mathematical ability... Over 250 Swift Boat Vets and still counting...Most of Kerry's chain of command...17 out of 23 officers who served with Kerry...you have swift boat vets who have had experience..day to day experience with Kerry more then 60 of these Vet's have been awarded purple hearts, who have given eyewitness accounts and even who have been in the same boat as Kerry (which is you're sides claim to relevancy not theirs, as they are aware of how Swift Boats operated). I think your side is being a little dishonest in making this claim.amp said:No John just a few. There are more that support Kerry's side at least so far. And the record still supports Kerry.
erm, it was a training mission...kerry was not the officer in charge..Schacte's call sign was Batman. Kerry's was Robin....They were in THE boat together...it was a Boston Whaler..smaller then the swift boats...no enemy fire according to the Officer in charge..who is now a Rear Admiral... Kerry injured himself..accidently...you know..self inlficted..asked to be awarded...was turned down...applied again for an award..this time circumnavigating the OIC..ew Kerry's a sneaky dirty rat..amp said:NY Times 8/27/04 Op-Ed - Hienman (I misspelled the name I think).
as for being on the same boat as Kerry, Kat that can be said without them going on missions with him.
Then we just gotta come to the conclusion that you just don't know what you're talking about.. Steve Gardner does not refute the Swift Vets and he was Kerry's gunner mate on the PC-44.All the men who were on his boat as far as I know, who went on missions with him refute swift boat vets.
Sounds like those that criticized Bush over the AWOL incident.You just want to see him go down because you don't like his politics.
Look at it from my POV, who knows little about the incident.11 of the 12 men who served with Kerry on his swift boat are on his side.
I know he wasn't on the river with Kerry when Kerry was under fire.JohnDubYa said:The Rear Admiral wasn't there?
Now you are claiming a Rear Admiral is old and bitter (without even knowing him). And you say the Bush team stoops low.
Yes we see a heck of a lot of alleged facts with nothing to back them up.Hurkyl said:Now, I won't just take Kat's word for it, but your quote was disingenious at best, and tends to support the hypothesis that the counterargument is nonexistant.
Perhaps he was just being polite.When Bush now says he believes Kerry's story, and Kerry should be proud of his war record, isn't he calling this guy a liar? Maybe you had better check with GWB to find out why he no longer believes the Swift Boat Veterans.
I don't know if this is in response to my post listing who is who but, you really need to get a new talking points memo from the DNC. Yours is outdated.Dissident Dan said:11 of the 12 men who served with Kerry on his swift boat are on his side. But, of course, that won't matter to any of you because you really don't care about his service. You just want to see him go down because you don't like his politics.
Since when is protesting an unjust war "smearing the memories of War heroes"?And no, I don't like his politics...which includes, for the past 30 years, smearing the memories of War hero's