# I give up on these schools

1. May 5, 2006

### Pengwuino

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12633084/

Why do we have standards again?

2. May 5, 2006

### scott1

8th grade? It's middleschool not high school.
We need put cybernetic implants in kids brains and just upload knowladge into there minds.

3. May 5, 2006

### dav2008

If 75% of 8th graders have a below 2.0 gpa then I think the school is doing something wrong...

4. May 5, 2006

### JamesU

P.S. No, that's not my GPA

5. May 6, 2006

### Math Is Hard

Staff Emeritus
I didn't realize 8th graders even had GPAs. I thought that didn't start until high school.

6. May 6, 2006

### JamesU

Started as soon as I started middle school.

7. May 6, 2006

### Math Is Hard

Staff Emeritus
You guys also have to take a lot more achievement tests than we ever did. My sister has taken some kind of state test every year since about third grade. The schools get their money based on how well the students do, so they spend a great deal of time just on prepping them for the test.

8. May 6, 2006

### Pengwuino

I had like 2-3 state tests a year and they never prepped us for the test....

9. May 6, 2006

### Math Is Hard

Staff Emeritus
That seems like an awful lot. I was thinking about eventually teaching high school in Texas, but I know people who have taught there and they all say, "You'll hate it. You do nothing but 'teach the test'".

10. May 6, 2006

### Chi Meson

So they want all students to be above average? Sounds like Lake Wobegon.

11. May 6, 2006

### Rach3

If the GPA curve is scaled so that 2.0 is median, and 75% are still below that... what am I missing here?

12. May 6, 2006

### eep

Except GPA's aren't curved, at least not the ones in my middle/high school. It's all based on grade letter, which is based purely on "points" you earn in class. So it's possible to have all A's or all F's, nothing is curved. This varies with teachers but the majority is just a point based system. If we want children to do better in school maybe we should have more interesting curriculum and promote learning rather than sex/drugs/money. It's cool to be stupid.

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13. May 6, 2006

### George Jones

Staff Emeritus

Regards,
George

14. May 6, 2006

### cronxeh

Perhaps they should teach something else entirely different in Middle Schools, on a PASS/FAIL basis, and more of a philosophical approach. Perhaps, and this is a far shot, we wont have violence in high schools and the foundation and desire for science and knowledge and attainment of would be there from the day they start high school and carried itself to college.

15. May 6, 2006

### Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
When I was in school, every year or two we seemed to have some form of standardized test, but nobody prepped us for it. They were never hard and didn't require prepping (if anything, we always wondered why they were testing us on such stupid, easy stuff...I'd hate to think the standardized test is what was considered "at" grade level). We might have had a practice test the week before so we'd know the format to expect, but that was about it. I don't think the problem is standardized testing, but the focus teachers are giving to it and spending so much time prepping for something that is likely below the standards of where they should be aiming their lessons.

Nonetheless, if somehow they're managing to grade 75% of students below average (assuming they still use the traditional scale that 2.0 is a C), something is seriously wrong. I'd argue the problem is at the entire community level. If the teachers were the only problem, then why haven't parents been complaining to the school board to make changes before now?

16. May 6, 2006

### loseyourname

Staff Emeritus
They just want to raise the average, not have every student be above average. A 2.0 means you're getting straight C's, or at least your grades are coming to that on average (mean, in this case). The mean GPA right now is well below 2.0, with 75% of the students below that mark. They just want to move every student above that line which means you've passed the class with enough knowledge to move on to the next class in the sequence. A C is generally the minimum grade with which one can attain prerequisite credit.

17. May 6, 2006

### Pengwuino

Yah that is a far shot, way too far and possibly utterly rediculous. I don't think many kids turn to gangs and bullying and violence durin ghigh school because they recieved a low grade in junior high.

18. May 6, 2006

### bomba923

Another opportunity to introduce grade inflation.

The district is wasting its time requesting "higher GPAs", when it should be requesting "better performance on the state exams," from that school. See, unlike competence, grades can be faked.

Given the described situation, the school will most likely resort to grade inflation .
Another way to shroud incompetence from parents & the school district.
(Fortunately, I have a solution in this link)

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19. May 7, 2006

### cronxeh

See why public education needs improvement? *SMACK* Its "ridiculous" !

20. May 7, 2006

### Chi Meson

I guess you don't know I am a teacher.