# I Hate modern appliances!

1. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

Specifically, the Frigidaire Gallery Series washer and dryer we bought 5 years ago. You can't put any clothing with straps in the dryer, or the lint filter frame snags the straps and the rotation of the dryer drum twists them right off. Frigidaire says that's not a problem that they need to address, so we have to hang-dry everything with straps. Recently, the matching front-load washing machine began failing in mid-process with an E10 error that resolves to an E13 if you put the processor in diagnostics mode. That purports to be a "too long to fill" error. I talked to the service-person at the appliance store where we bought this pathetic crap, and he said he'd have to come out to "look at" the machine. After searching for this error code on-line, I have found that the service-people take a "poke and hope" approach. First replace the pressure switch. If that doesn't work, then replace the fill valve assembly. Then if that didn't fix the problem, replace the entire control board.

I priced the two cheapest parts (switch and valve) and that flimsy plastic stuff came to over $100 without shipping. I could replace those myself, leaving myself in the hole for a "fix" that might not work, and then have to decide whether to gamble on buying and installing a new control board. This morning, I opened up the machine and unplugged, wiped, and re-connected every connector in the wiring harness, hoping that there might have been a corrosion problem or a poor connection that would resolve the problem. No dice. the wiring harness on that machine is only slightly less complex than my last Harley. That's just ridiculous. I'm going to have to hunt for a new washing machine. Hopefully, a primitive top-loader with no bells and whistles and no processor - just a mechanical timer, motor, transmission, and pump. The last washing machine we had lasted over 20 years and was still going strong when we left it in the house that we sold. The drum bearing on the matching dryer started howling after about 15 years because the pads that the dryer drum ride on were old and worn, letting the drum tip a bit. I changed the drum bearing and the glides. That's the only maintenance either machine ever needed. I know we have slid into a "throw-away" mentality in the past couple of decades, but it sucks having to replace a$700-800 washing machine after 5 years because the repair costs a likely to be greater than its present value.

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2. Sep 16, 2010

### FlexGunship

This thread is called "I hate modern appliances." To me, it sounds like they hate you too.

Perhaps I could help you negotiate some sort of truce.

3. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

I think you'll need plastic explosives or at least armor-piercing bullets.

4. Sep 16, 2010

### FlexGunship

Oh, please. I have a modern washer/dryer set too. Maytag was kind enough to grace the panel of the washer with a "Cancel" button that isn't actually connected to anything. Seriously. So if I program a wash sequence, I'm stuck with it, no matter how nonsensical the sequence is.

My point is, all you need is access to the outlet. Not explosives.

5. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

I have a cancel button, too. It actually resets the cycle to whatever you have chosen on the selector knob. I have unplugged the machine and unplugged the control board in order to try to force some kind of hard reset, to no avail. I'll probably put the machine on the front lawn with a "free" sign to see if someone else wants to take a chance on it. I can buy a new bottom-of-the-line Whirlpool top-loader for about what the parts would cost to try to fix this one. Good enough for me. Their Roper and Estate lines have the lowest failure-rate of all top-loaders, probably because they are so simple and no-frills.

6. Sep 16, 2010

### Staff: Mentor

7. Sep 16, 2010

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
We bought a Frigidaire washer once. It was nothing but problems and only lasted about five years.

We've had our Maytag [??? Maybe Westinghouse] set for years now and have had no problems.

8. Sep 16, 2010

### FlexGunship

Yeah, the Maytag one lasts so long because none of the buttons do anything.

9. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

We've got one, though lingerie items dry very quickly on a rack, so we don't use it except for dresses or tops with spaghetti straps or cords. The more severe problem is with heavy things. That dryer ripped a strap off my wife's favorite corduroy overalls. We thought that was a fluke. It wasn't. After another incident of damage, I looked up the consumer reviews of that model dryer on-line. It's a very common complaint. Poor design that was never addressed with a fix.

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10. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

It's quite a maze. Maytag is now owned and produced by Whirlpool, with cross-overs into Kenmore. I heard from a Sears service guy that some of the Kenmore washers are now being produced by Samsung, and that getting parts can involve long waits. I'm not sure what to do...

11. Sep 16, 2010

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Haha, that's the one! They are Whirlpool.

12. Sep 16, 2010

### dlgoff

I've had the same old Sears washer and dryer for over 30 years. There has been a couple of failed/broken parts over the years, but were cheap and easy to install after calling Sears with the part number.

13. Sep 16, 2010

### turbo

I could throw my business their way, especially if they have some machines with mechanical timers instead of microprocessors. I plan on touring some appliance stores tomorrow, to see what is out there. We need a washing machine. I wish we had taken the old GE washer and drier out of our old place and moved them here. They were rock-solid. I never had to do anything to the washer, but the dryer was very easy to work on.

14. Sep 25, 2010

### turbo

15. Sep 25, 2010

### dlgoff

So, does it have a microprocessor?

Anyway, you'll probably be able to get parts for years to come.

Congratulations for the new purchase.

16. Sep 25, 2010

### mugaliens

I have a friend of mine who owns an outdoor shooting range here in town. He's looking for targets...

17. Sep 25, 2010

### turbo

Unfortunately, it does have a microprocessor. We need a HE machine, since we are on a well, not a public water supply, and it seems all the HE machines (top and front-loaders) have control boards. At least the machine is extremely similar in layout, controls, etc, to the Whirlpool/Maytag washers that it is derived from, so parts shouldn't be an issue for quite a while if it fails.

I'm going to buy a surge-protector for it - we live out in the boonies and the power probably isn't as nice and clean as in more urban places. Out on the poles, there is a single "hot" wire feeding every transformer for miles along this road, so dips and surges are probably inevitable.

For \$518, it was about as good a deal as I could get - other appliance stores couldn't get close to that.

18. Sep 25, 2010

### dlgoff

Oh, that is a good deal turbo.