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  1. Aug 27, 2008 #1

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    i hate to ask this but....

    If that nincompoop george bush could defeat war hero john kerry, how can barack obama defeat john mccain? Is it possible because the electorate may have learned a lesson from watching gw at work for 8 years? or will the dems again snatch defeat from victory?
     
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  3. Aug 27, 2008 #2
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    His "POW" reserves are running dry. He's uses that every single chance he gets.

    "Senator, you said you don't know how many houses you own?"
    "I was a POW"

    "Senator, how can you be for the troops if you vote against bills that help them?"
    "I was a POW"

    Those are just the last two I remember. But it seems like any time something negative against him comes out, that's what he uses.

    And then there's this gem I found on Youtube:

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  4. Aug 27, 2008 #3
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    Well, yah, but I think there's a good chance McCain could still win. Kerry was polling ahead around this time I believe, even far ahead a few times, and he still lost.

    Ultimately the American people get suckered into the Republican's propaganda tactics so I would prepare yourself for a McCain victory.
     
  5. Aug 27, 2008 #4

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    did you hear on npr that there is one dallas businessman who gave 3 million bucks to the swift boat campaign against kerry. he has now pledged 3.9 million to the swift boat campaign against obama. their latest ad asks morons in general, why obama happens to know a radical from the 60's who was a member of a group that bombed a building when obama was about 1 year old. pretty damning, if your iq is 25 or so. i.e. it could change the whole election.

    this group of sleeze balls is called the american issues campaign or something. they even hold tax exempt status, recently purchased from another defunct org, which requires that most of their work be non political! when obama's campaign challenged their qualifications for such tax exemption, their lawyer said, and i quote: " i expected this, after all these guys play hardball." i laughed out loud.

    thought for the day: how stupid and/or perfidious can one be and still be interviewed on the radio and represent a major candidate? apparently there is no limit.
     
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  6. Aug 27, 2008 #5
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    My hope in America has dwindled in the past years. If McCain is elected, I don't think I'll want to stay here.

    It's like being on the Titanic and being the only one who sees the iceberg coming.
     
  7. Aug 27, 2008 #6

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    don't give up big guy! have children and "teach them well". but i feel your frustration. some times i aspire to join my friends in italy or france, but after gw i can't afford to!
     
  8. Aug 27, 2008 #7
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    no doubt beautiful, but you really think the governments run better? I assume you are +30 in age? If so, then you likely did not save and invest well. that is not GWs fault.
     
  9. Aug 27, 2008 #8

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    i will not even discuss gw's role in whether ones investments are doing well or not. i'm sure you can do better than that if you try. as rick said in casablanaca about paris, bringing up the stockmarket is poor salesmanship for gw. (have you checked your house assessment lately?)

    i'm watching the colbear repore, and he is interviewing a guy who says his business is booming! who? a repo man ! i love it.
     
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  10. Aug 27, 2008 #9

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    That's certainly possible...though I'd word it differently.

    Here's the funny part: 8 years ago, Republicans decided that George Bush was hands down, way better than McCain. Now, after agreeing that Bush is the pits, they insist that McCain will be hands down way better than Bush!
     
  11. Aug 27, 2008 #10
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    Doesn't that like involve... touching...a girl? Eww gross!
     
  12. Aug 27, 2008 #11

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    Obama is a much stronger candidate than Kerry. Kerry's record on the war was not at all impressive when you look at the total package, which included his extremist anti-war views and associations at the end of the war. The handful of relatively minor medals he got could not possibly overcome that.

    Even that aside, Kerry was at best a mediocre candidate. He wasn't charismatic, he looked unhealthy, and he did not inspire confidence or inspiration. Bush won a battle of the mediocres.

    Both Obama and McCain are probably the strongest candidates we've seen in my lifetime. Either would defeat any of the candidates the other party has put up in the past 30 years, with the possible exception of Reagan.

    Reagan won the Presidency because he was a cheerleader and little else. And that's what Obama is trying to do, but times are more complicated today than they were in 1980 and people are starting to ask what his real ideas are. I'm sure Obama will get a huge bounce from the convention - when he gives a prepared speech, he makes people stand up and cheer. But after that fades, he'll have to start convincing people he has some substance.

    McCain, being older and better known is much less of a question mark. There isn't as much he can do in the next few months to help or hurt himself. So really, it's up to Obama. If his popularity peaks soon and starts to fall again as the rapture wears off, he'll lose.
     
  13. Aug 27, 2008 #12
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    Of course. How could anyone defeat His Holyness, the Sacred Cow, God Emperor Reagan?
     
  14. Aug 27, 2008 #13

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    That isn't even true, much less funny! Bush won the nomination because the Republican power base threw its support behind him. He got the money and 3rd party attacks to take McCain down, despite McCain's strong start and popular support. It certainly was not an unequivocable victory for Bush.

    This is more common knowledge stuff, but here's the easy reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000#Republican_Party_nomination
    Bush was, in essence, pre-selected.
     
  15. Aug 28, 2008 #14

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    Did McCain win any states besides the loony, left wing New England states? I think Bush won over 40 states. Political machinations aside, that's a drubbin'. McCain didn't ever get popular with bread and butter Republicans - he won mostly from the backing of independents (and that's why he won the states that he did).

    And for a reason. Russ, you may not like to believe this, but the Republican party is way more religious and socially conservative than you are. And way more religious and socially conservative than McCain was. McCain learned that the hard way. If McCain had run another 2000 Primary this year, he'd have lost again, to the new Party favorite. This year, though, the Party was having a little harder time picking a favorite: their star candidate was a Mormon; Giuliani, a social liberal; Huckabee was too clean for politics; Paul was an anti-war freakshow; and the others were non-starters (even Thompson).

    But McCain wasn't taking any chances this year, was he? He ingratiated himself with the Christian Right, hired the Rove-Bush political attack dogs (yes, the gang that slimed McCain in 2000) to run his campaign, chose to milk his POW experience dry, decided it was a good idea to equivocate on intelligent design and established a voting record and campaign positions almost exactly matching Bush's (and proudly saying so himself). He knew what he needed to do to appeal to the Republican base, and it worked. The McCain that was rejected by Republicans for Bush is now the new Party messiah.
     
  16. Aug 28, 2008 #15

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    The Bush campaign trashed McCain in South Carolina. McCain had a reasonable chance before that, but he never recovered from that.

    Now unfortunately, McCain is sounding more like Bush.
     
  17. Aug 28, 2008 #16

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    I liked THAT McCain and probably would have voted for him in the general election. I detest the new McCain - and that's quite a turn-around.
     
  18. Aug 28, 2008 #17
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    Your basic premise is faulty. John Kerry was no war hero. John Kerry was an actor playing a war hero to add to his Kennedy-like resume. John Kerry exploited band-aid purple hearts to come home early. John Kerry would likely have shot himself in the foot to get home had it not been for the accidental pin-prick he endured until such time as he could have a medic extract it with a pair of tweezers. Hero..my arse!

    As it turns out, he shot himself in the foot when he claimed to be a war hero...in direct opposition to the remembrances of those who actually served our country well at the same time Johnny was compiling his war journal.

    The electorate has not been watching GWB at work. They have been watching what obstinate, persistent Democrats can do to sabotage the noble efforts of a sitting Republican President...simply because he is a Republican. The most recent episode involving the "fair and open congress" as evidenced by Nancy Pelosi shutting off the lights and mics in the House of Representatives is a prime example of how the Democrats "work". Their "work" is simply to do whatever it takes to make the Republican administration look bad. They've been doing quite well at it...for years.
     
  19. Aug 28, 2008 #18
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    Kerry received three purple hearts
    1) wounded in Firefight 1968
    2) Hit by RPG 1969 shrapnel still in his leg!
    3) Hit by mine exploding close to his swift boat.

    He also VOLUNTEERED to join the Navy

    To call this "Pin-Prick" is absolutely disgusting especially compared to Bush' record (or lack thereof). The swift boat attacks are one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in politics (and I know many republicans who agree with me) and personally I do not feel like this forum is the correct place for them.

    If you are defending the conservative cause then come up with better arguments (like Russ). This is not youtube!
     
  20. Aug 28, 2008 #19
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    We're not talking about Bush here. We're talking about the ridiculous claim that John Kerry was a war hero. If you read the full record of his self-inflicted pin prick, you will find that the attending medical personnel did not want to report it as a wound worthy of a Purple Heart because of its extremely minor nature. It was only after Kerry's insistence that it gained him a Purple Heart.
     
  21. Aug 28, 2008 #20

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    Funny!
     
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