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I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrations?

  1. Jan 18, 2012 #1
    Hello all:

    I would like to test some software, to find out whether it works correctly. To do this, I want to reproduce a calculation that someone did using a different method.

    This calculation involves chemistry, and my chemistry skills are not great. I would really appreciate if someone could help me out with what is probably a rookie question!

    I have data for cation/anion concentrations. But for some reason, although the cations are within a fluid made up of H and O, the H and O data are not given. Given the cation concentrations, is it possible to figure out the corresponding amounts of H and O? If so, how?

    millimoles/liter
    Na + = 110.0
    Mg2+ = 5.0
    Ca2+ = 0.966
    Cl- = 121

    Thanks a lot for any help!
     
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  3. Jan 18, 2012 #2

    Borek

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    Re: I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrati

    For very precise calculations you would need solution density. For approximate calculations, you can safely assume concentration of water to be 1000/18 mol/L.

    But I have a feeling you might be trying to do something unnecessary, something that has a source in your confusion.
     
  4. Jan 18, 2012 #3
    Re: I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrati

    Thanks a lot Borek. You are probably right that I don't properly understand this...

    What is the significance of the 1000/18? I just need the concentration of H and O that would go along with the cation concentrations (if that is possible). I can then find out the solution density. If it helps, this is all at 25 C.
     
  5. Jan 18, 2012 #4

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    Re: I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrati

    You can't find solution density after - this is a thing that has to be measured, so you need to know it before being able to calculate anything. Solution is rather diluted, so it will be quite close to 1.00 g/mL - could be that's accurate enough for your needs.

    1000/18 is just a molar concentration of pure water - assuming 1.00g/mL, 1L mass is 1000g, molar mass of water is 18g/mol. Knowing molar concentration of water you can calculate amount of H and O (although it doesn't make much sense to me - it could make sense as a part of the proper mass balance for the system, but I doubt you need it).
     
  6. Jan 18, 2012 #5
    Re: I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrati

    Thanks Borek, this helps a lot.

    I got the data from a paper published by people who tested their code. I don't understand why they don't specify H and O if it isn't clear what H and O must be! Anyway, maybe they used the assumption you describe, so I'll try that.

    Much appreciated.
     
  7. Jan 18, 2012 #6

    Borek

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    Re: I have cation concentrations. How to figure out corresponding H and O concentrati

    Concentration of water is usually considered to be constant, so - depending on what you do - you can completely ignore its presence. Perhaps that's the case.
     
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