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I just realized something awful.

  1. Apr 21, 2009 #1
    im dumb. im seriously a dumb person and ive been in denial of this all my life. i failed high school but i brushed it off like "i didnt try" or i have "emotional intelligence". basically i kept saying to myself i didnt have book smarts but i had some "kind" of smart which is bullchit. it takes me ages to understand something...and when i finally do, i totally forget it within days.I pretty much have no memory.i dont know anything. seriously. im a freakin air head, sometimes it feels like i have this "fog" in my head that doesnt let me think or learn.In the labs im the slowest to learn,its like i cant engage my mind. my failure in high school was pathetic....sure i didnt care at the time and i never did homework ect but it was because it needed too much THOUGHT. i didnt wanna think, it hurt me and it still hurts me today to think. im horrible at solving problems, my mind just shuts off. i like to ponder, fantasize, imagine ect....but i HATE thinking in order to solve a problem or to learn something. now look whats happened. im dumb. I have a 2.2gpa in a major thats too hard for me.
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  3. Apr 21, 2009 #2
    If you find yourself unintelligent now, it's likely because you were never interested in exercising your intellectual abilities before. Nobody is born a genius, just like nobody is born a super star athlete. The more time you spend using your brain to solve challenging problems, the better at it you will get. If you "HATE thinking in order to solve a problem," then you will probably remain dumb forever, but I think it's in your power to turn that around if you want.
  4. Apr 21, 2009 #3


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    That attitude won't help you any; giving up is counter-productive. If science isn't your thing, you might do very well as an artist or musician or actor. You were correct when you thought that 'book smarts' aren't all that matters. The fact that you bothered to post here indicates that you want to succeed and are willing to seek outside help to do so. It might just turn out that the area in which you can excel isn't your first choice. The nice thing about that is that once you become good at something, you might start to like it more and more. I sure never thought of being a bartender, but ended up doing it for 20 years and loved it.
    Have you consulted a physician? Your situation seems similar to mine in high-school. I finally got diagnosed with ADD and put on antidepressants which made a tremendous difference. Unfortunately, that didn't happen until I was 45 years old. It was a bit late to do me much good.

    edit: Hi, Beast. You sneaked in on me. Good advice.
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    If something requiring mental acuity is not for you, do you like things that you can do with your hands? It sounds like you have come to accept that you are not cut out for academics or science. Nothing at all wrong with that. As a matter of fact, skills like carpentry are to be admired. Perhaps you like working with machines. Move on to something that you *can* be good at.
  6. Apr 21, 2009 #5
    Have you considered that you may have a learning disability? That is that you tend to think and learn differently than most people? Calling it a disability seems a bit harsh.

    I am personally dyslexic. In kindergarten I wrote my name entirely backwards including the individual letters and didn't notice. They passed it off as eccentric or something. I never received any help with my difference in learning and only passed high school by going to "adult school". No one seemed to notice the fact that I took extra credits in adult school just because I wanted to, including my parents. It was ceramics class. I love sculpting clay. Unfortunately I haven't a kiln of my own or I would probably be sculpting almost daily. Maybe that's an exaggeration. ;-p

    I also had trouble reading in school. I read well enough but found it frustrating. I am now a bibliophile. I love reading.

    I often wonder how well I would do in college. Unfortunately I can not afford to live on my own and go to school. My work takes up most of my time and doesn't pay all that much. But I don't consider myself stupid. I obviously post on here as if I know what I am talking about with impunity. ;-)
  7. Apr 21, 2009 #6
    You could at least try capitalizing a word or two. That'll at least help make you *seem* intelligent.
  8. Apr 21, 2009 #7
    But, isn't gpa goes like:

    It's not easy to get that gpa.

    People who think fast aren't better than slow thinkers. Personally, I find people who think fast are prone to more mistakes than who go slow. There is simply no relationship between thinking fast and doing good in academics.

    And, not everyone likes to work hard/think (i.e. majority of people). I would say you were bit slow in figuring that out :rofl:
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    English is obviously not their first language, or third or fourth.

    Slang words, lack of capitalization, lack of punctuation, lack of sentence structure, lack of paragraph structure. :eek:

    Joaquin, when is the last time you met with your councelors to talk about what *you* want? Surely your English teacher has threatened to commit harakiri. :biggrin:
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    I agree with others here...you really should start with you doctor. You could have an underlining medical condition. How's your sleep pattern?
  11. Apr 21, 2009 #10
    Nothing like giving someone an inferiority complex to spur thier academic growth. :-/
  12. Apr 21, 2009 #11
    I earned an MS in physics while living with a serious mental illness, schizoaffective disorder.

    My suggestions for your doing better include visiting a psychologist or psychiatrist to consider the no-fault diagnosis of ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), rejecting all nonprescribed drugs, engaging in meditation, and taking a good-faith interest of your professors and fellow students.
  13. Apr 21, 2009 #12
    I personally never resorted to professional help. Perhaps I was just stuborn. I also often felt I was a burden on my parent and so only raised complaints when I felt is was absolutely necessary...
    Wow, and I just had a rather emotional outburst at even typing that lol.
    So any way...
    Self examination is rather important and you seem to already have that in hand. The next step is to do something about it. Perhaps seeing a psychologist even if you don't like the idea. Self reliance was something I felt I had to learn to get by and as a result I rarely have resorted to any outside help. And here I am in a dead end job with no prospects for anything better. If you are in college I suggest you stick with it and seek what ever help you can at doing better. The alternative is not so good. Its not terrible but I am sure you can do better. :-)
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    I'm not getting that. It seems more that this is someone who grew up with the net rather than books, but definitely a native English speaker. Lack of capitalization is common to folks who use non-case-sensitive search engines and passwords. It could also be a hold-over from chat-room or texting activities. He writes the way he talks.
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    Go into politics
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    I will agree with the others who have suggested discussing this with a doctor. If you were just not studying, or studying and not getting anywhere with it, it could be a matter of ability. But, when your description added that you feel like you're in a haze and that you can commit something to short-term memory, but then it doesn't stick in long-term memory, I'd consider that you might have either a learning disability or some other sort of neural disorder that's hindering your ability to focus on tasks and retain information. Talk to a psychiatrist first. They might refer you further to a neurologist, or might be able to provide a diagnosis based on just talking with you.

    Once you figure out if you really do have something treatable, you will probably have to back-up and retake some classes...or at least audit them to learn what you missed the first time.
  17. Apr 22, 2009 #16
    I'm not sure where you pulled that from...some European system perhaps? In the states, GPA is calculated as follows:

    A=4 grade points
    B=3 grade points
    C=2 grade points
    D=1 grade point
    WF/F=0 grade points

    Although another school might have increased precision (like below), or some schools increase an A+ to 4.3 (which is really unfair, because it makes all their students have higher GPA's compared to the rest of the country).

    A+ = 4 points,
    A = 4 points,
    A- = 3.7 points,
    B+ = 3.3 points,
    B = 3 points,
    B- = 2.7 points,
    C+ = 2.3 points,
    C = 2 points,
    C- = 1.7,
    D+ = 1.3 points,
    D = 1 point,
    D- = .7 points and
    F = 0 points

    The grade points are then multiplied by the course credit hours. Most courses have 3 credit hours (but they can generally vary from 5 to 1). Your total GPA is then total grade points earned divided by maximum grade points earned.

    So, a 2.2 GPA is basically a C average...which "technically" is supposed to be the average grade, although I don't think that's the case these days. The average grade is probably at least a B.
  18. Apr 22, 2009 #17
    how long have you been in? an EE major is not for everyone, and the first year is usually enough to weed out those who do not think this way. sometimes, even the first quarter.

    and just from personal experience, i was not prepared for the math sequence when i got there, and started bogging down around Calc II. so i gave myself an honest assessment and realized i was deficient in trig. went all the way back to precalculus I, and from then on got straight As in my math sequence.

    i can't really emphasize this enough. it's critically important that you never get behind on your math and core major coursework. too much of it is dependent on the prior coursework, and if you ever get behind it can be almost impossible to catch back up.
  19. Apr 22, 2009 #18
    shift keys are a pain in the ***. too much stress on the hands. the brain reads lower case just fine, it's upper case that doesn't read well.
  20. Apr 22, 2009 #19

    ...try to do well, :approve:

    How are you doing compared to the rest of the class? EE is a difficult subject, try auditing some business classes for a comparison.
  21. Apr 22, 2009 #20
    Honestly, it sounds like you may have ADD. My wife has this and wasn't diagnosed until she was an adult. Our son has it too, but was diagnosed at a young age. They are both very intelligent (IQ>140 as determined through testing), but you would never know from watching them because they can't focus very well. The ability to focus is very critical to problem solving skills, so either you would need medication, or go into a line of work and lifestyle that doesn't need too much focus. Our son decided not to take medication. He tried if for a while, but didn't like it.

    There is nothing wrong with just being yourself and developing coping skills. My wife does amazing things. She is constantly active working and volunteering around the clock. She runs circles around me. I can focus my mind like a laser beam for days on end until I solve a problem, - that's why I'm and engineer. But, I would never say that I'm better or more intelligent than my wife and son. They are very smart, and most likely, you are too.
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  22. Apr 22, 2009 #21
    I would start assembling the the skill sets that you would need to become self-dependent. You may find that you enjoy doing those things. You would then be able to teach those skills to others.
  23. Apr 22, 2009 #22
    Just curious, what does the skin color of your classmates have to do with anything?
  24. Apr 22, 2009 #23
    you know, the bigger question is what sort of culture you want to belong to.
  25. Apr 22, 2009 #24

    If you tell yourself that you're going to fail, then you will. You can't change your upbringing even if it did have a negative effect on you (and I'm not saying that it necessarily did). Not going to the doctor (that is, if you feel that you need to) because you're afraid that he'll tell you that you have a problem wont make it any better. In fact, it tends to make the problem worse.
  26. Apr 22, 2009 #25
    Regardless of what you might think, your future hasn't been decided for you. It's still entirely up to you.
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