# I need some help with a safe.

1. Nov 3, 2005

### xPAGANx

I have a safe that is bolted to a floor in one of my companies buildings. I need to move the safe to a new location.

Does anyone know of any kind of company that does this sort of thing?

I appreciate any help.

2. Nov 3, 2005

### Danger

Usually if a safe is bolted down, it's because it isn't heavy enough to be rated as a 'cash' unit. There should be concrete-anchored studs that come through the bottom from the floor and have nuts on the inside. Just undo the nuts and lift the thing straight up off of the studs. If they can't be undone, cut them or torch them off.

3. Nov 3, 2005

4. Nov 3, 2005

### Pengwuino

Ahem, trying to "move" a safe eh? :P

5. Nov 3, 2005

### hypatia

I was hopeing he needed help cracking a safe...I've always wanted to do that.

6. Nov 3, 2005

### Danger

If it's cash rated, be prepared to need several thousand dollars worth of equipment and at least a full day to do it. The UL label will indicate how tough it is.

7. Nov 3, 2005

### matthyaouw

There is one of those safes where I work. The first one we had, the door fell off for no particular reason, and the second, they bolted quite firmly to....

wait for it...

A table. Not a big table, not a table that was attached to the ground, just a table weighing less than the safe itself. The only way that would have prevented a theft would be by making it harder to fit the thing through doors.

8. Nov 3, 2005

### wolram

Hmmm, well, i know a little on the subject, anything over £50,000 will get my
interest.

9. Nov 3, 2005

### Pengwuino

And where do you work again?

10. Nov 3, 2005

### matthyaouw

Psh, I'm not telling you that. I got a good thing going as security manager here.

11. Nov 3, 2005

### xPAGANx

Thanks for the responses. It isn't a huge safe, but it is heavy. It certainly won't fit in my car lol. I would guess it is like a 2.5' x 2.5' x 2.5' cube. It might even be just a little bigger. I thought I might rent a Uhaul, but I'm not even sure how to get the bolts out. That is why I wanted someone to do it for me.

12. Nov 3, 2005

### Danger

I certainly hope that you weren't in that position when the table thing was implemented. :tongue:
Bloody hell, that was good for a belly laugh. It's like the people I met when I was locksmithing who thought that putting on a $10 deadbolt would make their home burglar-proof. I refused to sell anything less than a D4471 Weiser (about$50 at the time), so I lost a lot of potential income to the hardware store.
xPAGANx, if there are nuts on the inside, just try a good solid wrench first. Next would be a cold chisel. Heating them with a torch might make the nuts easier to turn. As a last resort, oxy/acetylene can be used with relative safety as long as you limit the exposure time (and ensure good ventilation). A cut-off wheel on a grinder can work too.

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13. Nov 4, 2005

### matthyaouw

I'm not really. It was a sad attempt at a joke :tongue:

14. Nov 4, 2005

### Mk

15. Nov 4, 2005

### wolram

I would never ever no way do anything i thought was illegal.

16. Nov 4, 2005

### Moonbear

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17. Nov 4, 2005

### Mk

This would be a good place to put the rofl smilie: :rofl:

18. Nov 4, 2005

### Danger

You can't keep someone out who really wants in. The point is to try and make it so that whatever is inside isn't worth the trouble it takes to get at it.
Those double-cylinder deadbolts are actually against the building code in Calgary for that very reason. A lot of people have been found cooked by the door with a broken key in their hand because they turned it the wrong way or before it was fully inserted. The Medeco company, who make excellent locks, have a compromise solution. It's a T-turn adapter that clamps onto the head of a regular key, which you then leave in the inner cylinder unless you're vacating the house. Then you pull it out and take it with you.

19. Nov 4, 2005

### JamesU

20. Nov 4, 2005

### Moonbear

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That would generally be the case for me. A burglar would be sorely disappointed if they broke into my place unless they wanted to lug out heavy furniture down two flights of stairs. Nothing else is worth much. I own very little jewelry, and when I travel, I just take it with me (even so, it has more sentimental than monetary value). The same for my computer, it's always where I am.

My grandparents used to have their house broken into every winter when they went to FL. We eventually found out it was because they'd notify the police that the house would be vacant, and then the police would post the address on a bulletin board of houses to watch...right out where all the criminals coming in could see it too.

My grandmother got so fed up one year that before leaving, she put notes in all the drawers saying things like, "the last burglars got everything," or, "sorry, there's nothing left." When my dad got the inevitable call that the house had been broken into again, he went in to meet the cops and found one of them sitting on the end of the bed in front of the dresser just dying of laughter at the notes. It worked. The burglar had only opened the one dresser and left. :rofl: