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Ideal gas in the microcanonical ensemble: I'm puzzled

  1. Nov 17, 2008 #1
    Hi all,

    this is about problem 8.2 in Huang's Statistical Mechanics.
    I think I've been able to solve it, but the solution raised a question about
    the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution. So first I provide my solution to the
    problem, then discuss the apparently weird point.

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    The problem requires to use the microcanonical formalism to derive the
    equations of state of the ideal quantum gas, i.e.

    [tex]N = \sum_j \frac{1}{z^{-1} e^{\beta \epsilon_p}\mp 1},\qquad
    \frac{PV}{kT} = \mp \sum_p \log(1\mp z e^{-\beta \epsilon_p})[/tex]

    where the upper and lower signs refer to Bose-Einstein and Fermi-Dirac
    statistics, respectively.

    2. Relevant equations

    I think one should use the constraints inherent in the microcanonical ensemble

    [tex] N = \sum_p n_p, \qquad E = \sum_p \ve_p n_p [/tex]

    along with the formula for the set of occupation numbers maximizing the entropy

    [tex]n_p = \frac{1}{z^{-1} e^{\beta \epsilon_p}\mp 1} \qquad (**) [/tex]

    and the the formula for the entropy thereby

    [tex]S = k \sum_p \left[\frac{\beta \epsilon_p - \log z }{z^{-1} e^{\beta \epsilon_p}\mp 1}\mp \log(1\mp z e^{-\beta \epsilon_p}) \right] [/tex]

    All these results are derived in section 8.5.

    3. The attempt at a solution

    The first equation of state is trivially obtained by plugging (**) in the constraint on [tex]N[/tex].
    The second equation of state was a bit harder, but at some point I recalled that E should be identified with the total internal energy, and [tex]z = e^{\beta \mu}[/tex]. Using this information and the constraints in the formula for the entropy one gets

    [tex] S = \frac{1}{T}(U-\mu N) \mp k \sum_p \log(1\mp z e^{-\beta \epsilon_p})[/tex]

    The second equation of state is obtained after recalling that the general form of the
    internal energy is [tex]U = TS - PV + \mu N[/tex].

    4. The weird point <===================

    So far, so good. However, it seems to me that adopting the same approach with the Maxwell-Boltzmann statistics produces a weird result. The MB entropy is

    [tex]S = k \sum_p z e^{-\beta \epsilon_p} (\beta \epsilon_p - \log z) [/tex]

    so that, if I identify the same quantities as above ( total energy and number) I get [tex]TS = E - \mu N[/tex]. But, assuming that [tex]U = TS - PV + \mu N[/tex] is true, wouldn't this mean [tex]PV=0[/tex] instead of the expected [tex]PV = NkT[/tex] ?

    Is there something I'm overlooking?

    Thanks a lot for any insight

  2. jcsd
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