Ideal Gas Law + 1st Law of Thermodynamics

In summary: To summarize, we discussed a homework problem involving ideal gas laws and the first law of thermodynamics. We identified the isothermal process as II, explained that process III is adiabatic, and determined that work is done in processes I, II, and III. We also discussed the removal of heat in processes II, III, and IV, and how the root-mean-square speed of gas molecules does not increase in any of the processes due to a decrease in temperature. However, in process I, the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules does increase due to the increase in temperature.
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Hi everyone ^^! I hope you had a great holiday season. I have a homework problem that I'm a little confused on. I will provide my answers/work as usual, and would like it if someone could check my work, or tell me if an explanation is wrong/needs more information. My teacher would like us to be very specific on these so I'm not sure if my explanations are well-explained enough. Though, I would like to say that I've been doing very well on my tests lately because I apply what I learn from everyone here on my tests and am finally starting to do really well ^^. Thanks.

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Solve the following problem. (Hint: Use the Ideal Gas Laws and the first law of thermodynamics) Be specific and support your responses.

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Four samples of ideal gas are each initially at pressure Po, a volume Vl, and a temperature To, as show on the diagram above. The samples are taken in separate experiments from this initial state to the final states I, II, III, and IV along the processes shown on the diagram.

a. One of the processes is isothermal. Identify this one and explain.
Process II is isothermal. The temperature remains constant and pressure varies directly with volume.

b. One of the processes is adiabatic. Identify this one and explain.
Process III is adiabatic because no heat is transferred during the process. Furthermore, adiabatic processes have a steeper inclination than isotherms because they lose more pressure during expansion.

c. In which process or processes does gas do work? Explain.
W = P∆V. In process IV volume remains constant and therefore there is no work. Thus, in processes I, II, and III work is done because there is a change in volume.

d. In which process or processes is heat removed from the gas? Explain.
∆U = Q – W.
In processes II, III, and IV heat is removed from the gas because there is a decrease from the initial temperature as shown by the decreasing slopes of the lines.

e. In which process or processes does the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase? Explain.
Vrms = sqrt (3RT/Mm)
If the temperature decreases, the speed of the gas particles decreases as well. Therefore, because none of the processes experience an increase in temperature, there are no processes in which the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase.
 
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If the diagram is too small I'll draw a bigger one
 
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Oh, and process II should end slightly lower on the Po/2 line exactly. :)
 
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twotaileddemon said:
Four samples of ideal gas are each initially at pressure Po, a volume Vl, and a temperature To, as show on the diagram above. The samples are taken in separate experiments from this initial state to the final states I, II, III, and IV along the processes shown on the diagram.

a. One of the processes is isothermal. Identify this one and explain.
Process II is isothermal. The temperature remains constant and pressure varies directly with volume.
With your correction of the graph (ending on the line P = P0/2), Process II must be the isothermal. If T is constant then [itex]P = k/V[/itex] where k = nRT0. The beginning and end points of II, only, fit that relationship.
b. One of the processes is adiabatic. Identify this one and explain.
Process III is adiabatic because no heat is transferred during the process. Furthermore, adiabatic processes have a steeper inclination than isotherms because they lose more pressure during expansion.
Correct, although I am not sure how you are determining from the graph that no heat is transferred. Since [itex]P = K/V^\gamma[/itex] where [itex]\gamma > 1[/itex] it is similar P = k/V but P decreases more rapidly with volume.
c. In which process or processes does gas do work? Explain.
W = P∆V. In process IV volume remains constant and therefore there is no work. Thus, in processes I, II, and III work is done because there is a change in volume.
Correct. The area under the graph is the work done. Only in process IV is this area 0.
d. In which process or processes is heat removed from the gas? Explain.
∆U = Q – W.
In processes II, III, and IV heat is removed from the gas because there is a decrease from the initial temperature as shown by the decreasing slopes of the lines.
Not quite. For the adiabatic (III), no heat is removed so this is the line of Q = 0. For lines above the adiabatic internal energy is higher so heat must be added (Q>0). Below the adiabatic, Q<0 (heat removed). Which lines are above the adiabatic?

e. In which process or processes does the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase? Explain.
Vrms = sqrt (3RT/Mm)
If the temperature decreases, the speed of the gas particles decreases as well. Therefore, because none of the processes experience an increase in temperature, there are no processes in which the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase.
Not quite. What about Process I? How does pressure remain constant while volume expands? Since II is the isothermal, for any path that is above II, what must happen to the temperature?

AM
 
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Would these be acceptable responses now?

d. In which process or processes is heat removed from the gas? Explain.
∆U = Q – W.
By definition, adiabatic processes have no heat lost or gained, resulting in Q = 0. Therefore, any process above the adiabatic one will have a positive internal energy and any process below the adiabatic process will have a negative internal energy. Therefore, in process IV there will be a negative internal energy and so heat is removed from the gas.

e. In which process or processes does the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase? Explain.
Vrms = sqrt (3RT/Mm)
If the temperature decreases, the speed of the gas particles decreases as well. An isothermal process has a constant temperature; therefore the process above it, process I, must have an increase in temperature. As such, when the temperature increases, the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules must increase as well.
 
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Oh, and thanks for the help ^^; I appreciate it honestly. =)
 
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twotaileddemon said:
Would these be acceptable responses now?

d. In which process or processes is heat removed from the gas? Explain.
∆U = Q – W.
By definition, adiabatic processes have no heat lost or gained, resulting in Q = 0. Therefore, any process above the adiabatic one will have a positive internal energy and any process below the adiabatic process will have a negative internal energy. Therefore, in process IV there will be a negative internal energy and so heat is removed from the gas.
It is not a question of having positive or negative (change) in internal energy. It is whether the heat flow is negative or positive. If there is a loss of internal energy but work is done, there may be no loss of heat - as in the adiabatic process.

If dQ is negative, heat is removed. Since dQ = dU + dW, it is not simply a matter of looking at dU. In this case, the curve for dQ = 0 (or dU + dW = 0) is III. If dU + dW > 0 (PdV > - dU where dV > 0) then there is a loss of internal energy that is not as great as the positive work done. This means that heat flow is into the gas. If dU + dW < 0, there is a loss of internal energy that is greater than the positive work done. This means that heat flow is out of the gas. If the PV graph is below the adiabatic (III) then the loss of internal energy is greater than in the adiabatic case AND the area below the graph (work done by the gas) is less than the adiabatic. So there must be heat flow out of the gas.
e. In which process or processes does the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules increase? Explain.
Vrms = sqrt (3RT/Mm)
If the temperature decreases, the speed of the gas particles decreases as well. An isothermal process has a constant temperature; therefore the process above it, process I, must have an increase in temperature. As such, when the temperature increases, the root-mean-square speed of the gas molecules must increase as well.
This is just a matter of PV = nRT. If at all points in the process, PV is greater than PV on the isotherm T0, then T must have increased. If T > T0 then the internal energy (dU = nCvdT) must be greater.

AM
 
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So is it correct in saying that, for part d, heat is removed from process IV because there is less internal energy and heat is removed from process I and II because the area under the curve is smaller and there is less work?
 
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twotaileddemon said:
So is it correct in saying that, for part d, heat is removed from process IV because there is less internal energy and heat is removed from process I and II because the area under the curve is smaller and there is less work?
For d, in process IV heat is removed from the gas because there is no work done (area under IV is 0) and the temperature is lower (PV is reduced so nRT is reduced).

I don't understand why you think the area under the I and II is smaller (than what?). Heat is added to the gas in I and II. In process I, PV is increased so temperature is increased (internal energy increased) AND work is done (which would use energy), so energy (heat) must have been added to the gas. In II, the temperature is the same but work is done by the gas. Since the internal energy is the same (T is the same) AND work is done, energy (heat) must have been added.

AM
 
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Oh.. I think I figured out what I was confused. I assumed I stopped at the next process, figuring the work done for process I would be only that half of the top part above process II.. okay thanks ^_^;;
This helped alot, especially since I have a midterm next week and most likely needed to know that!
 

1. What is the Ideal Gas Law?

The Ideal Gas Law is a mathematical equation that describes the relationship between the pressure, volume, and temperature of an ideal gas. It states that the product of pressure and volume is directly proportional to the product of the number of moles and temperature of the gas.

2. How is the Ideal Gas Law derived?

The Ideal Gas Law is derived from the combination of three gas laws: Boyle's Law, Charles's Law, and Avogadro's Law. These laws describe the relationship between pressure, volume, temperature, and number of moles of a gas. By combining these laws, the Ideal Gas Law was developed.

3. What is the significance of the Ideal Gas Law?

The Ideal Gas Law is significant because it allows scientists to accurately predict the behavior of gases under different conditions. It is used in various fields such as chemistry, physics, and engineering to understand and manipulate gases in experiments and practical applications.

4. How does the 1st Law of Thermodynamics relate to the Ideal Gas Law?

The 1st Law of Thermodynamics, also known as the Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed but can only be transferred or converted from one form to another. The Ideal Gas Law is a manifestation of this law as it describes how the energy of an ideal gas is related to its pressure, volume, and temperature.

5. Can the Ideal Gas Law be applied to real gases?

The Ideal Gas Law is an idealized equation that assumes certain conditions, such as no intermolecular forces, no volume of the gas particles, and high temperature. Real gases do not always behave ideally, but under certain conditions (low pressure and high temperature), they can approximate the behavior described by the Ideal Gas Law.

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