# Ideal Gas question

1. Jul 30, 2010

### hasan_researc

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Some regions of interstellar space is made of lone hydrogen atoms with a density of 1 particle / cm3, at a temperature of around 3 K. Calculate the pressure due to these particles.

2. Relevant equations

P = nkbT, where P is the pressure, n is the number density and T is the temp.

3. The attempt at a solution

n = 10-6
T = 3
So, P = 4.14 X 10-29 Pa.

The gas is not contained in a container, so are we assuming an imaginary surface within which lies a certain quantity of hydrogen atoms and then calculating the pressure exerted on that imaginary surface by the atoms? This interpretation seems to make sense to me because the volume of the surface is independent of the pressure, as seen from the original equation.

What does everyone think?

2. Jul 30, 2010

### graphene

Our sun is mainly hydrogen. But, the gas in not enclosed by a container. Gravity keeps the gas together. This is true with the gas planets, other stars, ....

3. Jul 30, 2010

### hasan_researc

But in order for pressure to have physical meaning, should the gas be not imagined to exist in a container, be it real or imaginary?

4. Jul 31, 2010

### ehild

The formula for the pressure of ideal gases was derived by assuming the gas confined in a container. The molecules are in random motion, collide to the wall and transfer momentum to it. During two subsequent collisions, there is an average force on the wall, and so on. At the end you get a formula that the pressure is proportional to the average translational kinetic energy of the particles and their number density. Using the Equipartition Principle, the average translational kinetic energy of a particle is 3/2 kbT and you get the relation in the form

P=nkbT

where n is the number density. This equation does not contain the volume, so you can apply it even in free space. This pressure would be experienced with any wall placed into the gas. There is no difference if you place an imaginary container or a simple wall: the wall experiences the pressure given by the formula. The molecules are in random motion, as they collide not only with the walls of a container, but with each other, too. The number of the molecules arriving at a single wall is the same either in the presence of other walls confining a big enough closed volume or without them.

ehild