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If gravity begets gravity, do gravitons emit gravitons?

  1. Dec 6, 2003 #1

    wolram

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    if gravity begets gravity, do gravitons emit gravitons?
     
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  4. Dec 6, 2003 #3

    wolram

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    VAN FLANDERN ARGUES.

    One can even argue that these c-gravitons/graviphotons may also be the equivalent of the long postulated aether that light and electromagnetic waves propagate through.

    He further demonstrates that gravity acts essentially instantaneously at a speed orders of magnitude greater than light speed, because the measured motion of distant celestial bodies is not affected by delays in the transport of light between them. Hence, gravity acts by a different mechanism than electromagnetic attraction/repulsion, which both act at the speed of light. He then argues that wave/particle duality is a consequence of the interaction between light-speed entities and non-light-speed entities. An implied consequence is that a Grand Unification of all four forces, weak, strong, electromagnetic, and gravitational, is not possible.
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    this seems a controversy of what is accepted, ie speed
    of gravity and forces can not be unified.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2003 #4
    this is why the paragraph you quoted has the title: "New Concepts".
     
  6. Dec 6, 2003 #5

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    it seems VAN FLANDERN is not very respected, and very
    much out of main stream science, so i have to disregard
    his work for now.
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    http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Speed_of_gravity

    it seems Sigh. Van Flandern has been refuted *many* times. Most notably by Steve Carlip (an expert in General Relativity, and one of the editors of Classical and Quantum Gravity, the leading journal in the field). His ``most recent rebuttal of van Flandern's nonsense is at
    http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9909087.
     
  7. Dec 7, 2003 #6
    if you read everything including the paragraph with the title "Gravitons and Graviphotons?" you would know that graviphotons arent the creation of VAN FLANDERN but those of supergravity theory so i dont see how these two conflict.
     
  8. Dec 7, 2003 #7

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    if you read everything including the paragraph with the title "Gravitons and Graviphotons?" you would know that graviphotons arent the creation of VAN FLANDERN but those of supergravity theory so i dont see how these two conflict.
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    very sorry sir.
    if you would be so kind as to direct me to a reputed
    author, i just wonder why you pointed me to a VAN FLANDERN
    paper in the first place.
     
  9. Dec 7, 2003 #8

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    Better, have him show you a Supergravity site, or even one paper, that describes anihilationg gravitons as emitting "graviphotons".
     
  10. Dec 8, 2003 #9
    sorry, but that's what i found about graviphotons in google.
    btw, the paper isnt written by VAN FLANDERN but it is refernced to him.
     
  11. Dec 9, 2003 #10

    wolram

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    LQG,
    i think that "gavitphoton", is an outside bet in the
    gravity theory, from what i have read it is to say
    the least, speculative.
     
  12. Dec 10, 2003 #11
    you asked and i replied with an answer if someone else has something on this do reply.


    btw, graviphoton is predicted by supergravity theory so if you find them speculative then also is supergravity theory speculative (and i agree with you on that s.g.t s.s.t and l.q.g are all speculative that's why there are called theories).
     
  13. Dec 10, 2003 #12

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    thanks for your help LQG.

    you asked and i replied with an answer if someone else has something on this do reply.
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    yes please do.
     
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