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I'm sorry Sudanese citizens - the world is too whimpy to help you

  1. Jun 9, 2004 #1
    I'm sorry Sudanese citizens - the world is too whimpy to help you....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3790559.stm


    I wonder what it feels like to have to figure out numbers like this, and then have the information fall on many deaf ears:
     
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  3. Jun 9, 2004 #2

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    Phat-com'on, you should know by now...it's only majorly newsworthy and important enough for the peace activist to be virulantly vocal on if it involves the U.S., it's corporations or the Joooooos. If you don't believe me take a look at what's newsworthy http://www.marumushi.com/apps/newsmap/newsmap.cfm
     
  4. Jun 9, 2004 #3

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    The tumble-weed in this thread speaks volumes...
     
  5. Jun 9, 2004 #4
    Umm, theres a DIFFERENCE...

    Sudan is a Civil War.
    Iraq is an Invasion.

    Can you not distinguish between?

    Do you know where Sudan is?
    Can you point it out on a map?
     
  6. Jun 10, 2004 #5
    We're not talking about Iraq here Nommos...
    This thread is about Sudan! The land where hundreds of thousands will die because people like you only want to look at Iraq, or more specifically, the places in Iraq where American soldiers are.
    I am apalled by your lack of insight in this tragedy on a biblical scale. Calling it civil war is a poor excuse for doing nothing.
     
  7. Jun 10, 2004 #6

    Sudan is as much a civil war as Rwanda was :rolleyes: Government supported Arab militias are ethnically cleansing black Africans. Despite a ceasefire, it still is happening. Despite the UN, the US is the only country actively pushing for aide and an intervention to this conflict. There is no excuse for not helping.
    IT IS GENOCIDE.
    What the hell does Iraq have to do with this thread??NOTHING! Quit trying to change the subject, again.

    Yes.
    Yes.
     
  8. Jun 10, 2004 #7

    amp

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    I bet if he shows american corporate interests are responsible for the turmoil in the first place... well you know.
     
  9. Jun 10, 2004 #8
    What does this mean? I guess I DON'T know.

    The fact is, that apart from the altruistic want to stop another Rwanda, peace in Sudan, and much of northern Africa, BENEFITS US companies because they can then conduct business - in many cases oil business, the very companies there somehow many would LOVE to try to pin this genocide on.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2004 #9

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    I don't either. Was there US policies in place to overthrow elected leaders in Sudan? That has been a pattern with the US.
     
  11. Jun 10, 2004 #10
    I fully fail to see what you are going at - do you have a point? some information? Or are we just turning this thread into a mental masturbation convention.

    Perhaps our disgust at Sudan being elected to the UN human rights body is proof!
     
  12. Jun 10, 2004 #11

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    Phatmonkey, I don't know the full story with respect to the US and Sudan but this links info does indicate that the US has been hardly altruistic towards Sudan.

    Go to: http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq16.html#4

    Some info on recent policy here: http://www.twf.org/News/Y2001/0614-BushSudan.html

     
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  13. Jun 10, 2004 #12
    Most of that article refers to another president, and his order of a single wrongful bombing (not to mention the constant and repeated speculation of WHY said president did said bombing). As we all know, many policies change, especially with political lines. I am talking about stopping genocide, and the lack of action by anyone else in the world.
    Luckily, it looks as if the G8 has been pushed to acknowledge the problem today, and are calling for an immediate stop of it.

    Also, as I have stated "The fact is, that apart from the altruistic want to stop another Rwanda, peace in Sudan, and much of northern Africa, BENEFITS US companies because they can then conduct business - in many cases oil business, the very companies there somehow many would LOVE to try to pin this genocide on."
     
  14. Jun 10, 2004 #13

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    Ok, I get it. Too bad for the Sudanese though.
     
  15. Jun 10, 2004 #14
    It is too bad. The first post I made puts the 'good' number at 1/3 million.
     
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  17. Jun 10, 2004 #16

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    Gee, sounds just like Bosnia. Wait till the ethnic cleansing is over, then step in to look shocked.
     
  18. Jun 10, 2004 #17
    Western militaries should be stepping in to stop the fighting and escort humanitarian aid.

    I'm kinda disgusted by the attempts to turn this thread into ideological bickering, meanwhile these people are suffering and dying.

    The G8 stuff seems rather weak. Urging probably won't help much. At least the EU is giving money to fund observers, but that is not nearly enough. I think that a Western military presence is required.
     
  19. Jun 10, 2004 #18
    For those who wish to donate, can someone post a contact list to legitimate charities (like the Red Cross International Response Fund) operating in southern Sudan? Also, do any of you remember the Biblical-proportion wanderings of the Sudanese "Lost Boys" featured on 60 minutes?
     
  20. Jun 15, 2004 #19
    Donations?

    Posted by phatmonkey;
    “Most of that article refers to another president, and his order of a single wrongful bombing (not to mention the constant and repeated speculation of WHY said president did said bombing). As we all know, many policies change, especially with political lines. I am talking about stopping genocide, and the lack of action by anyone else in the world.”

    A single wrongful bombing?
    You mean, like the World Trade Towers?
    Anyway, its well established that the Sudanese DID NOT bomb the USA Embassies. Well-established.

    http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01/

    Yeh, got a pharmaceutical plant (Nice…)

    http://grassley.senate.gov/releases/1998/p8r08-20.htm

    Osama, mentioned once more…(circa 1998)
    http://www.marxist.com/Africa/usterrorism.html

    Yeh, the USA is a real hero in the Sudan…

    http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=2982

    “In a separate development, on Tuesday the US took Sudan off its list of countries deemed uncooperative in the war against terrorism, but kept it on a list of "state sponsors of terrorism". Boucher said Sudan had taken a number of positive steps on cooperation against terrorism over the past few years, but remained on the state terrorism list because of the presence of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Sudan, "and some other concerns".
    He cautioned that even if ongoing peace talks between the government and the Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army succeeded, Sudan should not expect "a significant flow" of aid or assistance until "their [government's] behaviour in Darfur has changed".”

    That is called blackmailing a Nation with “aid” tied to military expenditure…
     
  21. Jun 15, 2004 #20
    If You Americans REALLY CARE...

    If you really care (which I know - you DON'T!);
    Then donate here;
    http://gbgm-umc.org/umcor/emergency/sudan.stm

    I donated a lousy twenty bucks last year...

    Can anybody else on this Forum make this claim?
    Geez, I'm an uncaring Nazi...
     
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