Image formed by a plane-concave lens and a concave mirror

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The discussion focuses on the formation of images by a plane-convex lens and a concave mirror in an optical system. The observer analyzes an object of height 2 cm viewed through a lens with a radius of 20 cm and a refractive index of 1.5, positioned 40 cm in front of a concave mirror with a radius of 30 cm. The calculations yield two images: Image 1 at s' = -13.3 cm and Image 2 at s' = 40 cm. The participants emphasize the importance of sign conventions and diagrammatic representation in verifying calculations.

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Homework Statement


An observer looks at an object of height 2 cm through a plane-convex lens of radius 20 cm and refraction index 1.5. There's a concave mirror of radius 30 cm 40 cm behind it, and the object is at the same distance of both the lens and the mirror. Find the images formed by the optical system and draw the diagram.
Solutions:
Image 1: s'=-13,3 cm; y'=-1.33 cm
Image 2: s'=40 cm; y'=-12 cm

Homework Equations



1/s + 1/s=(n_2/n_1 -1)(1/R_1-1/R_2)
1/s + 1/s'=1/f[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


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For the first image: \frac{1}{-20} + \frac{1}{-s'}=\frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{\infty}-\frac{1}{-20}) \implies s'=-13,33 cm
This is correct (one question: why do I have to use "-s'"? Shouldn't the result give the correct sign using s'?).
But I can't get the diagram to agree with this result. Could anyone make one?

And then, for the second image, using the first image as an object:
s=26,67, f=R/2=15 cm. s'=34 cm
Using the first object:
s=20 cm, f=15 cm. s'=60 cm.
In this case, both possible values are wrong. I think the problem derives from my incapacity to picture the diagram. Could it be that I have to account for the divergence of light caused by the first lens to calculate the position of the image created by the mirror? And how do I do that?
 
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Try sketching the diagram. There are three images.
I can never remember the sign conventions so I rely on sketching to get the placement right. If the diagram disagrees with the calculation, then the calculation is usualky in error.
 

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