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News In memory: Rachel Corrie (1979 - 2003)

  1. Apr 15, 2005 #1
    Two years ago , An Israeli army bulldozer crushed Rachel Corrie as she tried to stop the demolition of a Palestinian home.

    ((Friday, March 18, 2005

    Corrie family seeks answers at hearing



    WASHINGTON -- The family of Rachel Corrie continued Thursday to press for a more thorough investigation into the 2003 death of The Evergreen State College student in the Gaza Strip. ))

    Website of Rachel


    last minutes before death of Rachel with pictures:


    Last emial of RACHEL:
    ((February 7 2003

    Hi friends and family, and others,

    I have been in Palestine for two weeks and one hour now, and I still have very few words to describe what I see. It is most difficult for me to think about what's going on here when I sit down to write back to the United States. Something about the virtual portal into luxury. I don't know if many of the children here have ever existed without tank-shell holes in their walls and the towers of an occupying army surveying them constantly from the near horizons. I think, although I'm not entirely sure, that even the smallest of these children understand that life is not like this everywhere. An eight-year-old was shot and killed by an Israeli tank two days before I got here, and many of the children murmur his name to me - Ali - or point at the posters of him on the walls. The children also love to get me to practice my limited Arabic by asking me, "Kaif Sharon?" "Kaif Bush?" and they laugh when I say, "Bush Majnoon", "Sharon Majnoon" back in my limited arabic. (How is Sharon? How is Bush? Bush is crazy. Sharon is crazy.) Of course this isn't quite what I believe, and some of the adults who have the English correct me: "Bush mish Majnoon" ... Bush is a businessman. Today I tried to learn to say, "Bush is a tool", but I don't think it translated quite right. But anyway, there are eight-year-olds here much more aware of the workings of the global power structure than I was just a few years ago. ))
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  3. Apr 15, 2005 #2
    The Death of Rachel Corrie
    David Rovics

    When she sat down in the dirt
    In front of your machine
    A lovely woman dressed in red
    You in military green
    If you had met her in Jerusalem
    You might have asked her on a date
    But here you were in Gaza
    Rolling towards the gate

    As your foot went to the floor
    Did you recall her eyes
    Did her gaze remind you
    That you've become what you despise
    As you rolled on towards this woman
    And ignored all the shouts to stop
    Did you feel a shred of doubt
    As you watched her body drop

    And as your Caterpillar tracks
    Upon her body pressed
    With twenty tons of deadly force
    Crushed the bones within her chest
    Could you feel the contours of her face
    As you took her life away
    Did you serve your country well
    On that cool spring day

    And when you went back across the Green Line
    Back to the open shore
    Did you think that this was just another day
    In a dirty war
    And when you looked out on the water
    Did you feel an empty void
    Or was it just one more life you've taken
    One more home destroyed

    Created March, 2003
    Copyright David Rovics 2003, all rights reserved
  4. Apr 15, 2005 #3


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    We've discussed this before: don't stand in front of a moving buldozer. Its inherrently dangerous.
  5. Apr 15, 2005 #4
    The real epiphany is, don't look for humanity where none exists. There is strength in numbers, fight the good fight, but make it count. The sum of your life's efforts can be great, if you persist, and live your life, and work for the good.
  6. Apr 17, 2005 #5
    natural selection at work, people. don't stand infront of a very large moving vehicle unless you want to die. In the US the tank would have stopped because of lawyers, but israel is different.

    compassion is worthless

  7. Apr 20, 2005 #6
    Well sure. You can also say, "don't piss off Roman governors, or they'll nail your ass to the tree," or "don't try to challenge two hundred years of racial segregation or some sniper will shoot your ass" or "don't work in a high rise office building that's already been hit once by terrorists, cause you know they're going to try again," or "don't wear a miniskirt if you don't want to get raped."

    It's not like it's the victim's fault.
  8. Apr 20, 2005 #7


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    One can also say "Don't jump off a cliff, 'cause landing hurts!", or "Don't run into moving traffic!"

    Are those also not the victim's fault? :tongue:
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  9. Apr 20, 2005 #8
    A more appropriate quote would be "don't stand next to a cliff, somebody will push you off" after somebody pushes a person of the cliff.

    It's not like Rachel Corrie put the bulldoser in gear and then ran in front of the thing.
  10. Apr 20, 2005 #9


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    She still ran out in front of it after it was moving.
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  11. Apr 20, 2005 #10
    So did the guy during the Tianamen square massacre. Fortunately the guy who was driving the tank decided not to commit murder.
  12. Apr 20, 2005 #11


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    How in the hell is a suit filed against Catepillar going to solve anything? Stupid, stupid girl.
  13. Apr 20, 2005 #12

    If only people with compassion could see those without it for what they are, without having to find out the hard way.


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  14. Apr 20, 2005 #13


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    Ah yes, throwing away your life for a cause you probably know little about. Wish people would cherish their own lives more then people like this girl do
  15. Apr 20, 2005 #14
    On the contrary, I presume Rachel Corrie knew quite a bit about what the cause was. I wish people cared as much about other people as Rachel Corrie did.
  16. Apr 20, 2005 #15
    exactly, she cared enough, loved those people so much, and believed in their cause with so much passion that she was willing to die for them...
  17. Apr 20, 2005 #16


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    That's a word that has a pretty specific legal definition: http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/293/293lect07.htm

    Just to be clear: you are operating under the assumption that the driver purposefully killed her? Do you have any evidence of that?

    A buddy of mine was not paying attention one day on a dock (he was in the Navy) and a crane operator lowered an outrigger onto his foot, crushing it. The difference between that and this case is that Rachel Corrie knowingly and purposefully put herself into a situation where her life was at risk, while my buddy just plain wasn't paying attention. Rachel Corrie had complete control over her level of risk and consciously chose to risk her life. Of that, we are certain.

    What we don't know for sure is the intent and control of the situation that the driver of the buldozer had. However, in every legal system I'm aware of, until it can be proven that he intended to kill her (murder) or was willfully neglegent in avoiding her (that's not murder, that's homicide), we must assume he did not.
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  18. Apr 21, 2005 #17
    There's a number of eye witness accounts swearing that the driver was well aware that he was running her over.

    So it's their stories versus the driver's.

    Given there's no chance of prosecution, even if the guy did in fact murder her, there's no reason to wait for a trial.
  19. Apr 21, 2005 #18


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    Did he tell people he knew she was there? My god... that thing is soooooooooooo big, bigger then my damn house.

    And id bet my money on her not knowing what she was fighting for and her idea of it being a 'righteous enough cause' to die for being rather wrong. No one can intently look upon the situation between the 2 countries and say anyones side is right enough to give their lives up like that. She really wants to do something about it, go put her body infront of the muzzle of a militants RPG launcher or go protest out of Arafats compound when he was around.
  20. Apr 21, 2005 #19


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    Fine - as long as you concede you're making an assumption (though your assumption still doesn't support "murder"). I'll choose to make the opposite one, and there are eyewitness accounts that support it as well. The difference? My assumption has legal standing - yours doesn't. Your assumption absolves Rachel of personal responsibility for her reckless actions. Mine doesn't.
  21. Apr 21, 2005 #20


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    In honor of "The Other Rachels":

    "1. My Name is Rachel Levy (Israeli girl age 17, blown up in a grocery
    2. My Name is Rachel Thaler (Israeli girl aged 16, blown up in a pizzeria)
    3. My Name is Rachel Levi (Israeli girl aged 19, murdered while waiting
    for the bus)
    4. My Name is Rachel Gavish (killed with her husband and son while at
    5. My Name is Rachel Charhi (blown up while sitting in a cafe)
    6. My Name is Rachel Shabo (murdered with her three sons aged 5, 13 and 6
    while sitting at home)
    (From Tom Gross)
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