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Incline force

  1. Sep 24, 2014 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    The face of block M in the figure below is shaped like a semicircular bowl of radius R. A mass m is placed at the top-left corner of the bowl and then let go. Find the acceleration of block M relative to the surface it is sitting on when m is a distance of 0.8R from the bottom of the bowl. There is no friction between M and m, or between M and the surface on which it sits. (Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g. Indicate the direction with the sign of your answer. Assume the +x-axis is to the right.)

    http://puu.sh/bMIJx/03bb46a1d0.png [Broken]

    2. Relevant equations

    f=ma

    3. The attempt at a solution
    All i got so far, cannot figure out a way to solve for acceleration. I guess i am missing some equations but i just can't figure it out.
    http://puu.sh/bMIMh/216e860f3a.png [Broken]
     
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  3. Sep 24, 2014 #2

    BiGyElLoWhAt

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    What's the a in your equations? You have a ##ma\text{sin}(\theta)## term that I'm not seeing. So you have a block and a ball or whatever you wanna call it, and there's the earth. How many forces are being exerted on little m? I see 3 in you're equation, but that equation for some reason doesn't look all that useful.

    I personally don't see any reason to use centripetal equations of motion for this. What are the forces exerted on big M in the x direction and what are the forces on M in the y direction? (also, the problem statement says take +x -> which implies an acceleration in Cartesian)
     
  4. Sep 25, 2014 #3

    ehild

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    The block is moving, better to use conservation laws - conservation of momentum and conservation of energy.

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    Last edited: Sep 25, 2014
  5. Sep 25, 2014 #4
    the masin(θ) is the pseudo force of small block with respect to the big M.
    Also, i don't think conservation of energy and momentum is viable in this case, since the question stated "Use any variable or symbol stated above along with the following as necessary: g." i don't think i can just use Velocity out of nowhere.
     
  6. Sep 25, 2014 #5

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    The magnitude is not normal, but the direction of the force on small m is most definitely normal. Sum the forces on big M, then there will be 1 force you need to look at the forces on little m.
     
  7. Sep 25, 2014 #6

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    I should clarify not the net force.
     
  8. Sep 25, 2014 #7

    ehild

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    The acceleration of M is related to the acceleration of the small mass sliding down on it, how?

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