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In summary, the conversation discusses how to show that 4 divides 5^n-1 by using the fact that 5^n-1 is an integer and manipulating the expression 5(5^n)-1+4 to show that it is divisible by 4. The key is to use substitution and algebraic manipulation to prove this statement.
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Kingyou123
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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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Saying that "4 divides [itex]5^n- 1[/itex] is NOT just a "reference" to [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}[/itex]! It is the statement that [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}[/itex] is an integer. That is, [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k[/itex] for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not [itex]\frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1)[/itex]. I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in [itex]\frac{5^{n}- 1}{4}[/itex] is just [itex]\frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}[/itex].

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "[itex]5^n[/itex]" and to do that use the fact that [itex]5^{n+1}= 5(5^n)[/itex].
It will be helpful to use [itex]5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4[/itex].
 
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Kingyou123 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
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You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
 
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ehild said:
You can write 5n+1 as 5 * 5n, and 5n+1 - 1 = 5 * 5n -5 +4 = 5(5n-1) + 4.
Sorry, I just noticed this but should my equation be 4 l 5^n-1 or is what have okay?
 
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Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.
 
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"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
 
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Okay sorry, I'm a bit confused now. So (5^(n)-1)/4 is correct, right ? And would I follow what my prof. did, so I set my work for n+1 to 5(5n-1) + 4 or is that the induction step?
 
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ehild said:
Yes. As 5n-1 is divisible by 4 , the first therm of 5(5n-1) + 4 is divisible by 4, and the second term is just 4.

HallsofIvy said:
"4 l 5^n-1" is NOT even an equation!
Sorry, I just refreshed my page and your comment appeared, thank you for the help :)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Saying that "4 divides [itex]5^n- 1[/itex] is NOT just a "reference" to [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}[/itex]! It is the statement that [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}[/itex] is an integer. That is, [itex]\frac{5^n- 1}{4}= k[/itex] for some integer k. Further the "n+1" form of the formula is not [itex]\frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}+ (n+1)[/itex]. I don't where you got that additional "(n+1)"! Replacing n by n+1 in [itex]\frac{5^{n}- 1}{4}[/itex] is just [itex]\frac{5^{n+1}- 1}{4}[/itex].

Now, of course, you want to "algebraically" go back to the "[itex]5^n[/itex]" and to do that use the fact that [itex]5^{n+1}= 5(5^n)[/itex].
It will be helpful to use [itex]5(5^n)- 1= 5(5^n)- 5+ 4[/itex].

Kingyou123 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Prof. Note's. View attachment 95431

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm on the 3 line where my Prof. combines both equations, I'm confused on what my equation should look. Her's was (n+1)(n+1)+1)/2
View attachment 95428
I think that you have to go from the fact that if (5^n)-1 is divisible by 4 then (5^n)-1=4k where k is a constant. Now, how can you apply this to 5((5^n)-1)+4?. Think of substitution
 
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1. What is induction proof and how is it used in science?

Induction proof is a mathematical method used to prove a statement or hypothesis for all cases by starting with a base case and then showing that if the statement is true for one case, it is also true for the next case. In science, induction proof is often used to show that a theory or principle holds true for all observations or experiments.

2. What is the difference between strong and weak induction proof?

In strong induction proof, the statement being proved for the next case depends on multiple previous cases. In weak induction proof, the statement only depends on the immediately previous case. Strong induction proof is often used when the statement being proved is more complex and requires multiple previous cases to be true.

3. Can induction proof be used to prove all statements?

No, induction proof can only be used to prove statements that follow a specific pattern or structure. It cannot be used to prove statements that do not have a clear base case or do not follow a predictable pattern.

4. What is the role of the base case in induction proof?

The base case is the starting point for an induction proof. It is the case for which the statement being proved is directly shown to be true. The base case is essential in induction proof because without it, there is no starting point to show that the statement holds true for all cases.

5. Can induction proof be used in other fields besides mathematics and science?

Yes, induction proof can be used in other fields such as philosophy, logic, and computer science. It is a logical and systematic method of proving statements and can be applied to any field that requires rigorous and logical reasoning.

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