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Infinity in the Universe

  1. Oct 17, 2007 #1
    Here's an idea that I have been working on for the past few months.

    After weeks of writing out idea after idea about the universe and other universes I have reason to believe that there is an infinte number of universes contained in infinity itself. Here's the idea broken up: There is one universe and there are universes parallel, skew, and interecting it but there are other universes that contain the other universes within it's subatomic particles and in those other universes there are other universes contained within those subatomic particles. It's a little hard for me to write out in words without diagrams or anything else like that (especially since I'm a high school freshman).

    Let me know what you think. If this idea gets some interest I'll elaborate more.
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  3. Oct 17, 2007 #2
    Do you literally mean that if you split open a quark and looked inside it (or perhaps on the surface of a string) you would find another complex universe with its own subatomic structure and on and on?

    Interesting concept; I think everyone's thought about this possibility at some point or another. It seems really implausible to me since it would mean the nonexistence of a fundamental constituent of matter and/or forces, but if you assume our universe is only one of many trillions of others it's basically the same as saying it's just a subatomic particle in the multiverse, assuming the different universes interact in a way similar to the particles we're (sort of) familiar with. Those other universes could even be parallel universes in which the different possibilities of quantum mechanics play out, and could be mirrors of one another, creating different physical properties and giving rise to different types of particles in the multiverse.

    It's mind boggling but definitely fun to think about, even if it's unprovable.
  4. Oct 17, 2007 #3
    Yup, that's exactly what I'm trying to get at.

    This next part is probably what's going to get me slammed but using Hawking's idea that brought down his own Information Paradox (the one that said information sucked up by a black hole is preserved in universes without black holes) wouldn't it be possible to use a black hole to prove the existance of another universe and therefore prove the existance of other universes?
  5. Oct 17, 2007 #4
    I don't think you should be slammed for that idea, it seems well thought out.

    I haven't read enough about Hawking's idea except a few pages at the end of The Elegant Universe that mentioned it, but the way you describe it it certainly makes the existence of other universes seem possible. However, I was under the impression that Hawking's idea was only just that - an idea. If it was somehow proven it seems you'd be able to use it to prove the existence of other universes, but as of now I think it's still unprovable.

    These are the kinds of thoughts that get me excited. But I have to go to bed now.
  6. Oct 17, 2007 #5
    Yeah, I know what you mean. At this point in time with our current technology, it would be impossible to prove the existance of other universes because we wouldn't be able to revieve a signal from the other end of a black hole.

    I guess we're going to have to wait and see what the space community will do.
  7. Oct 18, 2007 #6


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    this is nothing new..
  8. Oct 18, 2007 #7
    a; nothing new.
    b; very unlikely.
  9. Oct 21, 2007 #8
    True this isn't a new idea. However, if you believe in evolution then it really isn't that unlikely. Think about it. First off keep in mind that space, time, speed, and mass is all related. Now if there is one little tiny water (including the micro-organisms, minerals like Fe, and etc) drop on our planet and it is in one place, undisturbed, for a long enough period of time. Then, the microorganisms would evolve into complex organism, like humans. Those complex organism could live on minerals that have clumped together to form spheres, like earth. Other organisms would have evolved differently, some would become plant like, others animal like, others would stay simple because they had no need to evolve like bacteria. Then H2O would exist. Hydrogen and Oxygen. Our universe has mainly Hydrogen. This "universe" or water drop would have mainly Hydrogen too, with some oxygen. And minerals. Of course Big Bang wouldn't need to create more elements from H because the elements would already exist in that drop. Now, the little planets in the water could have water droplets that sustained life also. Now, since the mass of so small an object is considerably less than the mass of the universe, time could take place at a different rate. Especially on a quantum level. I don't think its terribly crazy, I thought about the same idea when I was a Freshy in HS. Anyways, this I think is more philosophical than anything. It could be argued to the end of our universe.
  10. Oct 23, 2007 #9
    yah i thought of the same idea last year in 10th grade, and re-started thinking about it a couple days ago. Its really cool to think about it when your bored to death in a classroom or something.
  11. Oct 23, 2007 #10
    Yea, this idea was brought up in the movie "Animal House" when some girls were over at the professor's (Donald Sutherland) house smoking weed.
  12. Oct 25, 2007 #11
    May be I should get my self some of that weed?
  13. Oct 26, 2007 #12

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    I.e., not bad for a bright high school student, but not acceptable for the physics journals!

    AFAIK the first suggestion of a hierarchy of "nested universes" at all scales was by Fournier in the late nineteenth century.
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