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Innocent people on death row

  1. May 30, 2005 #1

    Pengwuino

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    "innocent people on death row"

    I constantly hear that the greatest argument against capital punishment is "there are people on death row right now who are innocent". Now what is the proof/de-bunking proof to this statement and idea?
     
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  3. May 30, 2005 #2

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    There is no proof. people sau that in certain cases there wasn't enough evidence. so when they go on death row they think they're innocent

    I don't even agree that we should have a death row
     
  4. May 30, 2005 #3

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    Hey that was a quick response for this forum lol.
     
  5. May 30, 2005 #4

    JamesU

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    I used the quick response box below :tongue:
     
  6. May 30, 2005 #5

    Pengwuino

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    lol still, usually takes an hour or 30 minutes or so to get some responses D:
     
  7. May 30, 2005 #6

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    really? I always get responses within five minutes. cough-they-cough-li-achm!-ke-me-cough!-better
     
  8. May 30, 2005 #7

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    Actually, many death sentences that predate DNA technology have been overturned where DNA evidence was later still available for testing. IIRC, one noted study estimated that approximately 1:6 convicts on death row are innocent. It was because of this new information that one of the last acts of the outgoing Governor of Illinois was to revoke all standing death sentences in the state.
     
  9. May 30, 2005 #8

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    1 in 6 current inmates or historic though. The claim is that people currently on death row are innocent.
     
  10. May 30, 2005 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    I edited late. ...people on death row now [or a few years ago anyway].
     
  11. May 30, 2005 #10

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    Keep in mind that in many older cases, and even many new ones, no DNA evidence is available.
     
  12. May 30, 2005 #11

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    Well if theres evidence these people are truely innocent, this begs the question as to why there still in prison. I wouldn't think theres many judges out there who see truely conclusive evidence and just throw it aside.
     
  13. May 30, 2005 #12

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    Perhaps they have the same attitude as Britain's former top judge Lord Demming who stated that it was better for innocent people to remain in prison than to bring the judicial system into question
     
  14. May 30, 2005 #13

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    Poor people can't get the expensive lawyers that rich people use to get off. Criminal trials are decided by juries, unless the defendent waives that, and juries are swayed by clever lawyers, including politially ambitious public prosecutors. When the DNA evidence started freeing prisoners in Illinois, a smelly political mess was uncovered. Innocent defendents were railroaded to get an unbroken string of convictions for various prosecuters to further their political careers.
     
  15. May 30, 2005 #14
    Prosecutors exploiting, or DPIC exploiting, or both

    Convicted by way of an expedient legal strategy, and later released on technical reexamination of that strategy, does not imply one is innocent of a crime. It merely means that that once-expedient legal strategy is no longer sustainable in court. If DNA fingerprinting had been foreseen, perhaps different prosecution strategies would have been pursued and some or all of those convicts would not have been released.



    Social-justice corporations have impetus to further their careers, as well.
     
  16. May 30, 2005 #15

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    That still doesnt get to the point. If the evidence is there, no matter how expensive or cheap the lawyer is, the evidence still should get to the judge.
     
  17. May 30, 2005 #16

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    Yes, and there shouldn't be any crime so there should be no need for police, courts or prisons. But this is the real world where because something should be doesn't make it so.
     
  18. May 30, 2005 #17

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    Well what your basically saying is that since 1 part of the system might be corrupt/inefficient/badly structured, any decision that passes through that system must be null and void? Might as well get rid of all police departments then.
     
  19. May 30, 2005 #18

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    Nope, that is not what I am basically saying - Your extrapolation bears no resemblance to my comment! It's a bit like me saying somebody died in a car crash today which you interpret as a call from me to ban all motorised transport lol

    To clarify I was merely pointing out that there was a certain naievete about your post.
     
  20. May 30, 2005 #19

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    Naive or not (former), its still ... odd... that once your on death row, you are guaranteed an appeal and if the evidence is so clear as day as these statistics imply.... i mean its like looking into the mirror and not seeing yourself....

    I think i should have thrown in "appeals are guranteed" to make it seem less naive and more "hey, what the craps going on here".
     
  21. May 30, 2005 #20
    pitts and lee are two the most famous FLA people convicted and sentenced to death
    they were convicted because they were blacks and seen as a threat to the locals
    for their civil rights activitys
    some years after their conviction an other man confesed to the crime
    and they were set free leading to a long battle to get compinsation for thier years on death row

    some reasons for appeal are tecnical
    their was they DIDNOT DO IT, WERE NOT THERE, and HAVE NOT ONE THING TO DO WITH THE CRIME, but were convicted anyway

    others have been convicted based on dreams, hypnotized wittnesses, and other BS so called evidence
    most common gimic is to get an other con to swear the person confested in jail to the crime, most times the other con gets off free for thier crimes in return for their BS statements
    thats not counting the biased state att trying to run up scores ect
     
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